V1: ($1100) vegas reg who I've played 2/5 with twice last night. Very solid and never bet unless he had the goods. He did not even bet semi-bluffs aggressively. I've picked up two solid tells on him since I played with him. He was a very talkative person who was always trying to get "reads" on the other players. Every big hand he's showdown, he's been very quiet. I'm 100 percent sure of this tell. His other tell is when he tossed in his chips for a bet, he didn't have the nuts. When he counted and stacked his chips, he had a monster.

V2 v3 : ($200, $200) both were passive limp callers who mostly folded on the flip. Very fit and fold.


Hero: ($850) great looking guy who's been showing down winners all week. Solid table image today and only shown down solid hands on showdown.

V1,v2,v3 limp, hero raises to 20 with KsKc, all three call

Flop (80) Kh Jh 7s

Checks around to hero.....

I feel like I may have lost value with what I bet on the flop. How big should we be going here?

$65

$50. Fairly wet board 4-way, someone's probably got a draw, so let's not slowplay here.

I think you can get away with $25-30 preflop. Flop is standard c-bet. $60 for me.

Bigger pre

Anywhere from 60-80 is ok imo

50-65. Board is fairly wet so I'd probably bet closer to the 65 instead of 50.

60

Ok since most everyone is in agreement with 50-65, let's keep it moving.

I bet flop for $50. Figured flush/straight draws will obviously call and most K or J calls from V2 v3.

V2 folds, v3 calls, v1 snap calls while neatly putting his chips out

Turn: (230) 2d

Checks back to hero?

Gotta go big here to setup a river shove, 175-200 is the range, I would probably bet 190 to stay under the 200 threshold. That gives us a pot of 610 with one call and 490 to stuff OTR.

$165 given tell on v1. Might even go $200 if I really believed what I thought I had picked up on.

So your putting V1 on a monster, there is a flush on the board and you want to stack off?

I check back. The flush already got there, I'm not scared of a 4 flush with only $70 invested and getting to see the river.

A turn check probably induces a bluff which v2 and v3 are more likely to call, then you can still go over the top of v1 if your really that horny to get a set all in on a flush board.

Could be wrong, but I'm pretty sure the turn is an offsuit 2?

People generally let go of draws in my games when facing near PSB's on the turn. I would bet $150 on the turn which gives neither villain direct odds to draw (unless they have combo draw).

My bad, misread. Agree with you then. So if he has a monster, we likely have set over set.

150-180. I don't like the idea of betting 200, really turns our hand face up. However, if our read is right that V1 has a good hand and won't fold then 200 is the max I'd go

180 (~80% pot). I agree with most that anything just south of 200 sounds like the sweet spot.

On the turn, what is everyone putting v1 on? If we are trusting hero's read, do we expect him to raise a set on the turn?

If so, would a slightly smaller bet around $150 better induce a raise?

Does V1 think QThh is a monster here? Or is he much more passive / hesitant? If we think V1 has a strong made hand and won't fold, we want to get the max from him. Somewhere around 175 sounds good. The best possible draw still only has 13 outs against us and we don't want to blow it out with such a huge equity advantage.

Doesn't matter if he wants to draw. Let him draw for a price that is at the borderline of breaking even or just a little above that. But make sure you split your stacks in chunks so that the river will be called. So, flop+turn+river bets = effective stacks. You draw too but his two flush carts will pair the board. (LOL) Most of the time his draw missis. My God! .. You got a monster ..., wtf? That's a dream situation. Seven clean outs for a flush vs. your entire deck of 39 good cards from which 10 makes you FH or QuDs with the 2 monsters included that pair the board and give him his death money-card. wtf? Welcome to Vegas ,..., Baby! - Looking for Lolita?

...are you trying to sell me something?

I would classify it as a monster. Especially considering he is check calling and not betting into hero.

I was a little unsure here. I want to bomb it for the flush draws but I feel like a small bet gets v1 to induce if he is holdings random 2 pair, sets. Check calling was so out of the ordinary for this villain. The royal draw made sense since he would want to see the run out with a promo running.

Should I just Bomb it because either way v1 should be calling?

How much do you mean by bombing?

The preflop play makes this hand really weird. Is V1 limp calling JJ/KJ/QTh out of position pre here? That seems really weird to me if he's a solid reg. Could maybe see him doing this with pocket 7's though, try to flop a set multiway for cheap and stack someone if he hits a set. If you trust in your tell and you think he has a monster, just pot it. He's never folding any of his strong value and we're probably not going to get called by much worse. Maybe even make it 200 if you truly think he has a strong hand and won't let it go. That leaves you with around a pot sized bet to jam the river. You're in position so if he has a set or QThh when it bricks out, then he might be jamming either way. If not you can jam yourself and hope he thinks he's hero calling with sevens or something.

How does betting 200 turn our hand face up? I think a bigger bet on the turn actually makes it seem like our hand is more vulnerable than it is, something like AA/AK/KQ.

I like 200 as it sets us up for an easy river shove, charges draws, and encourages another set or KJ to shove now.