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07-17-2017 , 08:15 AM
I'm going 150-175 here.

Apart from the read that OP gave, I'd be watching what chips V calls with. A gen pop read is that people don't put in their big chips unless they have a strong hand. So if V started with 1100, there is a solid chance he has some 25s and 100s. If he calls with all 5s, while keeping his bigger chips, I'd expect him to be weaker, probably a draw in this situation. Obv ymmv for this read
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07-17-2017 , 11:27 AM
This may be where I lost value. I decided to go a little smaller to induce a raise. I bet $150 and v1 quickly calls while neatly stacking $25 piles.

River Jc

Checks to hero?
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07-17-2017 , 11:38 AM
I probably bet $400 but shove is good too.

I think you missed the chance to stack off by sizing too small along the way, particularly when you have the best hand and you're reading him as being strong.
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07-17-2017 , 11:56 AM
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Originally Posted by hfrog355
I probably bet $400 but shove is good too.

I think you missed the chance to stack off by sizing too small along the way, particularly when you have the best hand and you're reading him as being strong.
I think a shove here is the right move. He should boat up as well.

I'm still confused by villain checking a "monster" though. Especially on the river.
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07-17-2017 , 12:02 PM
Seems like a good board to pot every street.
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07-17-2017 , 12:16 PM
Reads aside, V either has nothing now or a great hand, shove
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07-17-2017 , 03:11 PM
After 3 limpers I'm typically raising bigger to narrow the field, although we did get the shortstacks to get in 10% of their stack (making stacking off against them easier postflop, although we're not in love with going 4ways plus involving a deepstack).

I would PSB the flop. Draws don't fold for any reasonable draw on the flop, and the flop is drawy, and a PSB is reasonable. No one is likely to have TP since we have all those. So the only other hands we're targetting is second pair / underpair hands, and those might not even call anyways (although admittedly they are probably more likely to call a smaller bet than a larger bet and a PSB might lose those hands).

GcluelessNLnoobG
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07-17-2017 , 03:14 PM
I'm probably PSBing the turn as well. Obviously this puts the shorter stack all in, but he's inconsequential. What does the big stack have? He's unlikely to have a K since we have all those. If he's competent, he's unlikely to have just one pair. Which means he has either a draw (he might have a decent one that is like a flush draw + straight draw). Or he has a set (possibly top two pair). For all of these, he's going to have a hard time folding to a PSB.

ETA: I don't know how your games play deep, but I can't recall the last time I've seen $850 stacks go in during a 1/3 NL game. And on top of that this guy is labelled as competent. Expecting him to go nuts with top two is meh when we can easily have KK/JJ. Heck, he might even just be in calldown mode with 77. Which is why I think we should do all the heavy lifting ourselves by betting big.

GbettinglargerthaneveryoneelseG
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07-17-2017 , 03:20 PM
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Originally Posted by wj94
Seems like a good board to pot every street.
+1

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07-17-2017 , 03:22 PM
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Originally Posted by johnny_on_the_spot
Reads aside, V either has nothing now or a great hand, shove
+1

On top of this it sounds like he isn't very semi-bluffy, which means he's unlikely to bluff his busted draw.

GBBVhandindisguiseofaPAHWM?G
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07-17-2017 , 03:27 PM
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Originally Posted by johnny_on_the_spot
Reads aside, V either has nothing now or a great hand, so we should check
fyp

I also really hate relaying standard stuff like this bc even decent tags stuff here w/KK and make my life really really easy and its one of the few lines of thinking that hasnt changed in 5 years.
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07-17-2017 , 03:43 PM
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Originally Posted by Avaritia
fyp

I also really hate relaying standard stuff like this bc even decent tags stuff here w/KK and make my life really really easy and its one of the few lines of thinking that hasnt changed in 5 years.
It's not exactly clear from HH, but I'm pretty sure we're in position.

GcluelesscheckbacknoobG
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07-17-2017 , 03:46 PM
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Originally Posted by Avaritia
fyp

I also really hate relaying standard stuff like this bc even decent tags stuff here w/KK and make my life really really easy and its one of the few lines of thinking that hasnt changed in 5 years.
There is no way you're checking this back - must have misread something.
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07-17-2017 , 03:48 PM
We have top set on a dangerous board that has a flush draw, possible top two-pairs, and lots of straight draws. Just pot-pot-shove and be done with it?
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07-17-2017 , 03:59 PM
Heh, it looks like i misread...if we are ip im not sure what the question is.

Sorry for fixing your correct post johnny
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07-17-2017 , 04:00 PM
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Originally Posted by Avaritia
fyp

I also really hate relaying standard stuff like this bc even decent tags stuff here w/KK and make my life really really easy and its one of the few lines of thinking that hasnt changed in 5 years.


My post was based on us being IP of V, did you read it differently? It's ambiguous, so I'm not even sure if correct

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Originally Posted by NoReads TimeToJam
This may be where I lost value. I decided to go a little smaller to induce a raise. I bet $150 and v1 quickly calls while neatly stacking $25 piles.

River Jc

Checks to hero?
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07-17-2017 , 04:02 PM
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Originally Posted by Avaritia
Heh, it looks like i misread...if we are ip im not sure what the question is.

Sorry for fixing your correct post johnny


All good buddy

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07-17-2017 , 04:12 PM
Keep in mind Ava is playing in the big game now and probably can't afford too many coolers.

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07-19-2017 , 12:00 AM
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Originally Posted by NoReads TimeToJam
This may be where I lost value. I decided to go a little smaller to induce a raise. I bet $150 and v1 quickly calls while neatly stacking $25 piles.

River Jc

Checks to hero?
Obviously I'm not getting called by busted flush draw so what should I be betting since his hand is almost always going to be JJ or 77. With the 2nd J on the river I'm assuming he's mostly showing up with 77. Is the only move a shove or smaller to make him snap call?
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07-19-2017 , 02:59 PM
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Originally Posted by NoReads TimeToJam
This may be where I lost value. I decided to go a little smaller to induce a raise. I bet $150 and v1 quickly calls while neatly stacking $25 piles.

River Jc

Checks to hero?
Pot is $530. We have ~$630 left.

All of his busted draws are folding any bet.

You want to bet an amount that makes your range look the widest so he can call you wide.

As played, your hand looks like AQhh, AA, KK, JJ, KJ, AK, 77, and the rare 9Thh/QThh.

If you shove, he is calling you with 1 combo of JJ, and 2 combos of KJ. If he's a good 2/5 player, he might be good enough to fold 77 to your river shove this deep.

If you bet/call like $200, you probably capture his 77.

Here's a creative option that I mix in sometimes: Bet something stupid, like $60. He'll raise you with 3rd,4th, and 5th nuts (KJ, 77, J7) . AND, It may confuse him enough to shove over you with all busted draws. Maybe even confuse him enough to cry call with weaker type hands that he occasionally shows up with.
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07-19-2017 , 03:39 PM
I probably pull out a page from the MikeStarr School of FPS and go for the river x/r. It's unlikely villain has a K, and if he has a lone K he's not going to call a large bet/jam. If he's got KJ or 77 he is going to bet and we can jam over him. If he's got a busted draw it allows us to give him a chance to bluff at it.

I don't see a downside to checking unless you want to soul read him for the 4 combos of AK that will check back and want to milk him for $150-200 more.
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07-19-2017 , 04:06 PM
Johnny, I think Hero is IP.
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07-19-2017 , 07:24 PM
Whoops.. hmm hard to see a jam being called unless he has a monster. Probably size $200-250 myself to get a call from Kx while secretly hoping he's got KJ or 77 and will x/ship.
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