1/3 $300 buy in Midwest casino

Hero: 20s/30s white male wearing glasses and a jacket. This is my first orbit sitting down, but I may have already made an impression. First hand I turned a straight flush and check/raised a bet but showed to get a high hand promo. Second hand I flatted a BTN straddle in BB, BTN raised to 21, SB called, I 3bet to 71, they both folded. V1 may of noticed the hands but I doubt V2 did. Stack $400

Villain 1: 40s white male. Kinda looks like a good ol boy who's gotten old and fat. I've seen him limp preflop and that's it. Stack $260

Villain 2: 50s+ white male. Just lost most of his stack by calling a 15 bet preflop, called a 25 bet on the flop 3 way, a 35 bet that made it heads up, then folded on the river. I think the flop had a flush draw but wasn't very coordinated. Villain seems to be on tilt. Stack $62

This is the hand right after V2 lost most of his cash.

OTTH

Folds all the way around to Hero on BTN who limps with KJ, V2 in SB raises to 12, V1 calls, hero calls.

I'm sure some people will hate on preflop, but at the time I felt everyone was folding because V2 was going to jam against any raise. I'd rather limp and see a flop than commit and potentially flip vs him.

Flop: 963 (pot=~$35)

V2 goes all in for 50, V1 thinks for just a second and calls, Hero..?

Raise pre. Call now.

Is a strange spot
I am not sure what to make of the preflop play, usually on the BTN I would raise this all day but given the read that super short stack would raise/jam any raise from you I guess limping isnt too bad but not feeling great about it.
I could see some merit to isolating V2 but KJs isnt exactly a powerhouse of a hand.
The flop you should have great equity against the Shortstack jam as he can be pushing very wide here but with the call from V1 makes it a little more tougher I can see merits to raising as there is already 135 in the pot but V1 stack is only 200 so if he Jams or calls you are going too have to bet turn anyway.
I guess you could just reraise all in but after V1 has called the 50 I dont think he is folding that often anyway so is just a high variance play.
Calling does have it merits as well but SPR aganust v1 will near to 1 so dont know if we can really fold on a brick turn and v1 shoves

If the sb is really going to shove anything we can happily raise call with KJs.

This is he is super wide shoving than a squeeze AI on the flop is correct IMO, also raise pre-

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Your reasons for not raising pre don't stack up. V2 is going to have a worse hand than KJs the vast majority of the time. Taking a flop in position doesn't really help because it's dubious to ever fold this hand, V2 can just have JT or something.

Doesn't seem like there's much discussion as far as flop action goes, which I figured. I definitely agree the better plan was to raise preflop and that there are holes in my logic of just limping. Regardless, I did, and now we're here.

Flop: 963 (pot=~$35)

V2 goes all in for 50, V1 thinks for just a second and calls, Hero calls.

Turn: 963J (pot=$185)

V1 announces "I'm all in" fairly quickly, Hero..?

That's what I was thinking. Not sure why OP would use this as a reason to limp instead of raise OTB.

Yeah I'm calling the turn. In my experience people play like morons in dry side pots, so not ruling out him having a draw or mediocre made hand.

I like shoving the flop in this situation, especially with their being a side pot. As played, I think we call this turn. I don't see any reason to call flop and then fold on this turn card. I expect V to show up with a SD/FD/Combo Draw a majority of the time here.

Call.

Agree w shoving flop, trivial call as played

What's the point of shoving the flop?

Mostly under the assumption that we are almost never folding turn and benefit a lot from the f/e against certain hands

Yeah for me to generate FE, and get some 9s and most small pairs to fold (assuming other V notes that shover is super light and calls with any piece but would raise with his random two pair (he might flat sets but *shrug*) I could see folding a bunch of turns though as the side pot is dry so it's protecting our equity against like A9 that will call regardless but would make you fold on the turn

If we think V2 is on tilt and is going to commit stacks with pretty much ATC, then I'm fine with the open limp, and I would then put him all-in (hoping to drive out V1, guessing that KJs is doing fine against ~ATC with some dead money). If we don't think he's on tilt, then I'm actually ok with the Button open limp where I'd now probably fold (if he's not tilting then I doubt KJs does very well against a non-tilting range).

I'm either/or on the flop and really dependent on you yokel V1 is. If he can be limp/calling preflop and on the flop with any pair, then I'd probably jam with my hand equity + FE. If he's a tighter player (which often starts limiting his range to sets) then I might just call and hope I manage to get to the river for free.

ETA#1: Unlike others, I'm a lot cooler with the Button limp preflop. If we raise, sometimes V2 who was looking to attack weakness might just call; if we limp, and he attacks weakness, we can then shove him and drive out callers and get it HU against his junk.

ETA#2: I'd probably lean towards folding turn as played. It's a $0 side pot and an overcard came and this guy still thinks a weak pair on the flop is good? Most people with a lol pair freeze up here and get MUBSy and think they just got outdrawn.

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Thanks for the responses

Results:

What are you guys doing when checked to on a K/J turn card? I kind of want to just see a river and value bet if checked to again in that scenario. I think it's $200 eff. stacks with $185, so we probably don't want to shove.