Villain (CO): late 20s Romanian, TAG ($350)
Hero (BB): mid 20s Asian, super nit image ($1500)

Villain opens $11. BTN calls, SB calls, hero calls A2.

Flop: AK4 ($40)

Checked to villain who bets $25. Everyone folds but hero.

Turn: 4 ($89)

Checked to villain who bets $75. He is basically bluffing here never right? If he had a hand like AQ he wouldn't bet it to try to get called by KQ given my image. Only bluffs he can have are gutshots and I see him giving up here a lot or betting smaller with those.

Fold. You would essentially be calling hoping to chop. The only hands you actually chop with are Ace high flush draws.

Slam dunk threebet pre.

As played, turn super obvious fold. You should consider folding flop as well, if you think CO would be unlikely to bet a worse hand. One problem is that even if your hand is good, calling is still bad if CO is going to barrel turn.

Being out of position sucks with top pair no kicker. We gain virtually no info on his range or anything. But with his tight image we can narrow it a little. His open range is (22+, 23s-AKs, 75s-AQs, Q9s-AJs, K9s-ATs, K7s-K8s, A2s-A9s, KQo-AKo, KJo-AQo, AJo, ATo) Sorry that is so much. This c-bet is expected and he most likely missed that board. On the flop I wouldn't mind a check raise from us. It puts the action back on him and we can gain some info from him. like his he c-bets with 78s and we raise he folding but if he calls we can rule out 78s. Anyway, as played we check call the 25. His range really doesn't change much so we ll just leave as it is. The turn brings a BDFD. As played though check calling here is the best play. That 4 was the best card you could have seen. You now have A and 4's with a K kicker. nothing beats us here except AK (which we block), 4 combos and sets. At this point I think we are either good or chopping. So check calling is the play i would make.

Oh didn't notice the board had paired turn. Eh. My guess is he continues to bet the turn with all his aces. Probably a fold but close.

I'm folding preflop. Even with the A on the flop you are never going to know where you are at since you are oop. Much better spots to choose from.

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I would call. I don't think that even AK goes for 3 streets on a paired board.

For this price, I'm probably also calling preflop, especially if anyone in the hand can payoff postflop. If everyone is good, it's probably a leak.

Preflop raiser just continued into 3 opponents including a guy who has position on him. I didn't call preflop in a 4way pot to flop TPNKnodraw. I check/fold. Preflop is a huge leak if we're calling the flop (imo).

I don't make it to the turn but I fold again.

ETA: Overlooked that we chop with all AQ-, but still, calling down for a chop is pretty meh. Nothing in the read of TAG suggests this guy is barrelling flop 4way and turn with worse.

GcluelessNLnoobG

Surprised nobody else has mentioned threebetting pre. This spot is near perfect for it, it'd be nice to be in position but you can't have everything.

I think 3! is best as well, though it depends on the stacks of BTN and SB and how bad everyone is. Relative position can be great in the right situations.

This is one of the better flops we will see (top pair + BDFD + BDSD) which kind of proves how difficult/leaky it is to play these hands to a raise OOP. I think we get a lot of folds making this $60 to go pre, especially with our image.

I definitely 3 bet this hand sometimes. But the other callers were fish so I didn't want to blow them out of the pot and potentially be heads up OOP vs a TAG with this hand especially when not deep enough to triple. I'd rather 3 bet something that wouldn't be +EV to call like 86s or maybe 65s.

Generally you're better off threebetting something with blockers.

I certainly understand the thoughts behind 3betting here. However, a lot of my game revolves around limp/reraising big hands and yet I often still get action at my lol loose tables. So with that in mind, I've kinda eliminated light 3betting from my game altogether unless the circumstances are exactly right. I mean, yeah, my 3bet range is really ~face up, but if it's getting action, then there's no reason to light 3bet. Which is why I'm cooler with just calling here and trying to make a hand *if* there are payoff stations in the hand. Pretty table dependent.

GimoG

Turn is close, I probably call and bluff catch most rivers. We're chopping a lot here and ahead of spaz every so often.

OP - I think I've said this in your threads before, but if you're a mid-20s Asian male playing in the US, it's very, very unlikely that you have a super nit image, no matter how tight you've been playing. Everyone assumes younger Asian guys are bluffy...

Hahaha that might be true depending on table. Thursday night I played probably 10 hands in total. After folding an hour straight I raise it to $20 at 1/3 with one limper. Still get 4 callers. Sometimes after going card dead I see people on the fence when I raise again for the first time. They look at me sigh and reluctantly fold. Those cases I know they've been paying attention to me folding nonstop.

You got 4 callers because those 4 callers all felt they had hands that could crack your big pair. You could literally turn AA face up on the table and they'd still call (and most likely correctly so if they have the IO, to be honest).

Kinda surprised no one else thinks the flop call is a massive spew (which I think it is). TAGs routinely cbet air / underpairs 4ways on this flop?

GcluelessNLnoobG

I like 3-betting mixed in with calling here. I also like leading on the flop. Betting $25 into the crowd will look strong. We can safely fold to a raise and figure we are behind any calls. There are no big draws on this board. (We could continue to bluff the turn if the turn card supports it.)

As played I fold the turn. Pot is too small to worry about what I lose by not splitting here vs. what I would lose when I'm actually behind.

^ if you think sinking only gets called by better why would we do it? We've got the toppest pair. If someone else has a worse pair they have 2-5 outs vs. us and we keep all bluffs in their range. Villain can still have c-bet bluffs here like QJs QTs and JTs which block Ax hands and are gutters + BDFD. Most PP's aren't going to call bets on this flop when the PFR bets so there is little downside - if he gets raised he folds and he can evaluate turns while thinning the field.

This is partially why calling baby Axs OOP sucks. Villain can put pressure on us, make us fold the best hand sometimes while realizing his equity other times. So upon further consideration I think 3! >>>>>>> calling pre - but I am certainly guilty of making this small leaky call preflop.

To take down the $40. Eliminating c-bet bluffs is exactly what I'll trying to do. Most players find it much harder to bluff raise than to bluff behind a bunch of checks. Are you proposing a check raise? I prefer this line because I think we get the same in formation for a lower investment. Are you proposing check calling all the way to the river? I'd rather not make three streets of tough decisions. I'm likely to make a wrong one. Now if I have the dead on soul read working against this player that is a different story.

+1.

I also like 3-betting here because we have position on one player if he happens to call (SB). If everyone had position on us postflop, probably just flatting. We also have a super nit image, so TAG is probably folding a lot of strong hands like AJo/A9s/KJs, etc.

I must have missed the part where Villain is an aggotard, because that is what I'd label him as if he's betting this board 4 ways with at most a gutshot.

Gcheck/foldflop,notclose,imoG

Considering you want to fold an ace it'd be a pretty good bet, no?

Yeah, Villain's line is obviously massively EV because everyone else at the table is folding an Ace too?

Gtoughtable,imoG

As played I c/r the turn, rep the 4 - let him call for the chop or weakly go away. Your hand is under repped at this point, and this will put him to a test. But i do fold the flop....

Folding top pair w/backdoor straight flush draw to a ~half pot bet this deep is next level nit.

Turn were now chopping with so much so not folding.


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