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Old 08-11-2012, 03:38 AM   #1
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1-3 HU vs reg with QQ

1-3 200 max buy-in Tulalip

Villain: I'm slowly becoming a reg here and I've already sorted out some of the good regs vs the rest of the pack. Villain is one of the good regs. Young 20's Persian guy, clean cut with trimmed facial hair and newly cut hair. He's here every day (his own words). From my own experience I'd describe him as a TAG with LAG tendencies. He'll float some pots, bet 3 into a 20+ large multi-way pot just to see if he can take it down, seems to love to get a good deal and will call raises if there are multiple callers with ATC. His bet sizing can be on the large end of value town, 25 into a 30ish pot, etc. Seems like a very tricky but tight and winning player. He's kinda a fan of being short stacked it seems sometimes, not always staying capped.

Hero: 20's white player with glasses and a green hoodie. I've played with him 3 times, the second being just last night. We talk some poker together, I'd like to think we respect each other's game. Probably seen by villain as TAG on the aggressive side. Villain and I already tangled in a hand this session, one of the first.

2 early limpers, CO raises to 10, BTN flats, villian in SB flats, hero in BB flats. Limpers fold. Flop: Q29 (44 pot). Checks to BTN who bets 10, villain calls as does hero. Turn: Q29J (74 pot). Villain donk bets for 35 with 85ish behind, hero reraises to 75, BTN folds, Villain AI hero calls. Hero flips over KT while river bricks and villain shows J9. Said he thought hero was on a draw.

Since than hero has been in only two big hands, one villain saw hero lose other villain missed while hero won. Stack has been slowly rebuilt after 3 hours to 260. Villain covers by 20. On to the hand!

Hero dealt QQ in MP.

UTG limps for 3, villain limps for 3 1 seat ahead of hero, hero raises to 15, folds to BB who flats 15, folds back to villain who repops it to 45. Hero thinks for about 20 seconds before flatting, BB folds. Note there is a 4bet cap at the casino, if hero had raises it to any amount that would be the final round of betting preflop. This is the first time villain has 3bet preflop

Flop: 923 (105ish pot)

Villian bets 100, hero ???

Any and all comments are appreciated.

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Old 08-11-2012, 03:45 AM   #2
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Villain sounds like typical live fish. This is either Ak, JJ, KK, AA. Doesn't really make sense for villain to bet pot on this harmless board with AA or KK so that leaves only hands that I am ahead of, so I prob just stick my stack in the middle and pray the poker gods don't pay him off for playing it like an idiot. Betting pot with AA on that board is horribad-no way I don't stick my stack down his throat here
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Old 08-11-2012, 04:19 AM   #3
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Old 08-11-2012, 05:42 AM   #4
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Re: 1-3 HU vs reg with QQ

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Old 08-11-2012, 06:42 AM   #5
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Re: 1-3 HU vs reg with QQ

He's got AA, KK, JJ, AK, 10,10 and maybe 9,9. I can't consistently put people on specific hands so ranges is what I go with. I'd say your beating half the normal range here. I think I call to the river but fold if an Ace hits on either street. Your green hoodie may have influenced his decision to repop you, was it neon or forest green? If it's neon I'm repopping you as well.
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He's got AA, KK, JJ, AK, 10,10 and maybe 9,9. I can't consistently put people on specific hands so ranges is what I go with. I'd say your beating half the normal range here. I think I call to the river but fold if an Ace hits on either street. Your green hoodie may have influenced his decision to repop you, was it neon or forest green? If it's neon I'm repopping you as well.
Your doing it right with ranging advice but why are we advocating Op put in over half of his stack($145 before the turn if he just calls the flop and he started the hand with $260) and fold. This is not-profitable and highly exploitable-I would not suggest you get into this habit, OP. Arr-in. If he has a9 or TT+, he'll call. Ship it, boss
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Old 08-11-2012, 10:08 AM   #7
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Reg is good [ ]

This spot is pretty easy, villain is a mark.

All-in.
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Old 08-11-2012, 10:46 AM   #8
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Re: 1-3 HU vs reg with QQ

I don't quite get why people are assuming villain is a fish. The previous hand wasn't all that bad IMO. Overlimp/3b pre in this hand is pretty unusual, but hardly unheard of even from ok players.

Anyway, we obv can't fold after flatting pre, and I see no reason to raise (we're WA/WB and IP). Call, call any turn (which will be AI). Possibly reconsider A/K turns.
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Old 08-11-2012, 10:51 AM   #9
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I don't quite get why people are assuming villain is a fish. The previous hand wasn't all that bad IMO. Overlimp/3b pre in this hand is pretty unusual, but hardly unheard of even from ok players.

Anyway, we obv can't fold after flatting pre, and I see no reason to raise (we're WA/WB and IP). Call, call any turn (which will be AI). Possibly reconsider A/K turns.
Calling ATC pre because their are limpers is good [ ]
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Re: 1-3 HU vs reg with QQ

^ Fair enough, but how does that affect this hand? What do you think (roughly) is his range for his preflop line?
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^ Fair enough, but how does that affect this hand? What do you think (roughly) is his range for his preflop line?
I need more relative information to accurately assess his range preflop.
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I don't quite get why people are assuming villain is a fish. The previous hand wasn't all that bad IMO. Overlimp/3b pre in this hand is pretty unusual, but hardly unheard of even from ok players.

Anyway, we obv can't fold after flatting pre, and I see no reason to raise (we're WA/WB and IP). Call, call any turn (which will be AI). Possibly reconsider A/K turns.
I agree about villain. It is hard to pinpoint villain tho from OP's description, but if villain is "good reg....very tricky but tight winning player" then he is no fish. IMO only 5-10% of players are winners, this puts villain in top 5-10% of players.

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Villain sounds like typical live fish. This is either Ak, JJ, KK, AA. Doesn't really make sense for villain to bet pot on this harmless board with AA or KK so that leaves only hands that I am ahead of, so I prob just stick my stack in the middle and pray the poker gods don't pay him off for playing it like an idiot. Betting pot with AA on that board is horribad-no way I don't stick my stack down his throat here
I ~ agree with villain range tho I take JJ out so=AK/AA/KK. If villain has AA and puts us on range QQ/JJ/TT a bet like this is a good bet on this board, right?
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I need more relative information to accurately assess his range preflop.
Exactly. There's absolutely no information in the OP. Does Villain play 5%, 25%, or 100% of his hands pre-flop. Does he often give up post-flop if he doesn't hit?
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I agree about villain. It is hard to pinpoint villain tho from OP's description, but if villain is "good reg....very tricky but tight winning player" then he is no fish. IMO only 5-10% of players are winners, this puts villain in top 5-10% of players.



I ~ agree with villain range tho I take JJ out so=AK/AA/KK. If villain has AA and puts us on range QQ/JJ/TT a bet like this is a good bet on this board, right?
No. I thinks its horrible because a thinking player will fold hands like a9, tt-jj. And those 3 hands above (tt-qq) are such a small number of combos that we have to have in order to call him when he pots otf on a dry board, so betting AA is terribad and loses value over larger sample. How many times do live players always only show up with TT-QQ with these lines on a 9h board? See what i'm saying now. Plus, i just lol at idiots that pot every street, on every hand they play(usually they get to the river with some weird sized bet left) I also think you are being a little too generous at giving someone with villain's description and at this level the ability to soul-read TT/JJ/QQ whenever he has KK/AA
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No. I thinks its horrible because a thinking player will fold hands like a9, tt-jj. And those 3 hands above (tt-qq) are such a small number of combos that we have to have in order to call him when he pots otf on a dry board, so betting AA is terribad and loses value over larger sample. How many times do live players always only show up with TT-QQ with these lines on a 9h board? See what i'm saying now. Plus, i just lol at idiots that pot every street, on every hand they play(usually they get to the river with some weird sized bet left) I also think you are being a little too generous at giving someone with villain's description and at this level the ability to soul-read TT/JJ/QQ whenever he has KK/AA
I think we differ on what hero's range is here, what range do you give hero (from villains eyes)? No way do I include A9. And no way should hero be setmining here. Our range should be QQ/JJ/TT and sometimes AK.
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