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05-23-2017 , 02:58 PM
Live 1/3 NL

Bought in short about an hour before a tournement and ran it up to $440 very quickly. Running very good. Have a tag image.

V-1 has been at the table the same amount of time as me plays a tight and passive. I've seen him limp/call literally everything but pocket aces one time. $230 stack.

V-2 have some reads on him. Loose passive player. He seems to think through his hands and has folded correctly a couple sets face up but has a tendency to fold to aggression. Also I've noticed he takes his card protector off his cards prior to action of he doesn't like the cards coming off the deck and won't call a bet. Stack $400.

Hero is on the button during this hand. There are two limps to V1 who makes it $18 which sets off alarms seeing as he never raises. I imidiatly think kings or aces. Hero looks down at KsKc. Usually I would 3 bet this but i think he has only aces and want to see a flop and evaluate. V2 in the big blind calls $18.

Flop 7c7dQc.

V2 checks, V1 checks, hero bets $30. V-2 min raises to $60 V-1 folds saying "I'm probably folding the best hand"

Putting V2 on a random queen as of now. Possibly a 7 could also be a flush draw but I haven't seen him be very aggressive with them. I call the extra 30.

Turn 3s V2 leads $60. At this point I'm thinking that he may just have a 7. I think he would potentially lead with a queen. I think there is a chance I'm good and seems like a good price so I make the call.

River is Jc.

I'm watching V2 as the card is turned over and he pulls his chip protector and is visibly upset at the club. He checks. At this point I'm considering checking back and hoping my kings are good. But I just have a feeling he's got the 7 and is afraid I've made my flush. I consider a smaller bet but don't think it will get through. As I'm thinking I notice he's playing with his cards and getting a lot of weakness from his body language. I decided on a shove. He tanked for so long that a couple player got up from the table to take breaks playing with his cards almost mucked twice but decided on a call. Showing me 3 7 off suite.

I really try and stay away from bluffs playing low steaks especially for my stack but I felt with the live reads I had and the way the hand played out it was my only way of winning this hand. Trying to work on my game every session and this hand was a tough one. How would you have played it?
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05-23-2017 , 03:06 PM
Board is semi monotone ,bad spot to bluff, he check , you check , action over . Don't get married to your Kings , poker involves 2 of your cards , and 5 of the dealer cards. We all know the dealer is always winning because he has the most cards , check , check. Muck

Bluffing takes too much energy did you ask him that if he had quad 7 he is good, lol , must somehow speech play your way out of this , good news is in the long run you should be a winning player compared to this villian
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05-23-2017 , 03:10 PM
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Originally Posted by deerdeerdeer
Board is semi monotone ,bad spot to bluff, he check , you check , action over . Don't get married to your Kings , poker involves 2 of your cards , and 5 of the dealer cards. We all know the dealer is always winning because he has the most cards , check , check. Muck

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I keep thinking exactly this. I could have gotten away from this cheap and free riled a tournement with some profit. I got stubborn with my kings and really Don't like the way I played.
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05-23-2017 , 03:15 PM
Shoving was the worst play possible. The only way he ever calls is if your beat. You found the only play where v could get max value from his set. V is folding everything but a flush and a 7, so just check back or bet small.
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05-23-2017 , 03:17 PM
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Originally Posted by KB1111
I keep thinking exactly this. I could have gotten away from this cheap and free riled a tournement with some profit. I got stubborn with my kings and really Don't like the way I played.
You should follow what you feel live , it's an art, and if you don't do what you feel and worry about the money , your not playing poker . I love money and I keep up with my count , but it's just money management for the upcoming hands and I try to calculate my M ratio along with how many streets I can play . Its definitely not a cooler hand also you did induce a bluff on a donk, you can't bluff a donk, he had 37o and called . In fact your better off pulling this on the good regulars , unless they are one level above you, they can read through your tells. The min raise is also another tell that you need to take strongly usually the degens pull this or gamblers because they want to squeeze more. I see it like this if it doesn't make sense I don't want to be involve it required too much thinking . At most I will pay for one more street to see if a king peels

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05-23-2017 , 03:23 PM
His min-raise on the flop is basically telling you he has a 7. I don't see him doing this with a flush draw or a Q. I would likely call the raise and fold the turn. You aren't getting most players off a 7 in this spot.
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05-23-2017 , 03:27 PM
Still a good spot to raise pre for value from V2. His range is strong but you have KK so you should look for value pre and aim for a nice sized street (or two) of value on most boards post.

AP call flop call turn fold riv - or check.
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05-23-2017 , 03:48 PM
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Originally Posted by eric5556
His min-raise on the flop is basically telling you he has a 7. I don't see him doing this with a flush draw or a Q. I would likely call the raise and fold the turn. You aren't getting most players off a 7 in this spot.
And this is how to sniff out sets same logic , learn now save later

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05-23-2017 , 04:28 PM
Just cuz dude raises his first hand in an hour doesn't mean it has to be AA. He could easily just be card dead, plus he could also be getting impatient by this time. He only has a $230 stack (which is not large), so I'm definitely willing to commit with my KK. I 3bet to about $50 which will prevent ~setmining odds.

I'm not in love with committing stacks against the min check/raiser $400 deep having only gotten in ~%5 of stacks preflop. But he hardly ever has us beat, no? AA almost always 3bets preflop here and QQ does a fair amount too. 77 is never min check/raising the flop with the other guy still behind that he wants to suck in. Doubt a draw is min check/raising (no FE, why else raise a draw?). Which basically means random 7x hands and Qx. He's shown he can lay down hands, so no point in raising. And since we can't fold, I call and evaluate the turn card / action.

Getting 4:1, I'm also calling the turn.

River is a tricky spot and I've lost track of stacks / pot (perhaps let us know next time). I'm *never* turning my hand into a bluff here. If I'm betting it, it's for pure value against Qx. But I'm going to size my bet appropriately so that it can get paid off on this flush board. I think (?) we have about $260 left and the pot is $300. Usually this is a check back vs shove spot. But against very ABC opponents who never get out-of-line, we could probably bet/fold this even with these lol stacks. I might even just make a "same bet" $60 for value against Qx. But I don't hate a shove either as I think this could also easily be for value.

But whole hand plays out a lot easier if we 3bet preflop.

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05-23-2017 , 05:02 PM
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Originally Posted by KB1111
Live 1/3 NL

Bought in short about an hour before a tournement and ran it up to $440 very quickly. Running very good. Have a tag image.

V-1 has been at the table the same amount of time as me plays a tight and passive. I've seen him limp/call literally everything but pocket aces one time. $230 stack.

V-2 have some reads on him. Loose passive player. He seems to think through his hands and has folded correctly a couple sets face up but has a tendency to fold to aggression. Also I've noticed he takes his card protector off his cards prior to action of he doesn't like the cards coming off the deck and won't call a bet. Stack $400.

Hero is on the button during this hand. There are two limps to V1 who makes it $18 which sets off alarms seeing as he never raises. I imidiatly think kings or aces. Hero looks down at KsKc. Usually I would 3 bet this but i think he has only aces and want to see a flop and evaluate. V2 in the big blind calls $18.

Flop 7c7dQc.

V2 checks, V1 checks, hero bets $30. V-2 min raises to $60 V-1 folds saying "I'm probably folding the best hand"

Putting V2 on a random queen as of now. Possibly a 7 could also be a flush draw but I haven't seen him be very aggressive with them. I call the extra 30.

Turn 3s V2 leads $60. At this point I'm thinking that he may just have a 7. I think he would potentially lead with a queen. I think there is a chance I'm good and seems like a good price so I make the call.

River is Jc.

I'm watching V2 as the card is turned over and he pulls his chip protector and is visibly upset at the club. He checks. At this point I'm considering checking back and hoping my kings are good. But I just have a feeling he's got the 7 and is afraid I've made my flush. I consider a smaller bet but don't think it will get through. As I'm thinking I notice he's playing with his cards and getting a lot of weakness from his body language. I decided on a shove. He tanked for so long that a couple player got up from the table to take breaks playing with his cards almost mucked twice but decided on a call. Showing me 3 7 off suite.

I really try and stay away from bluffs playing low steaks especially for my stack but I felt with the live reads I had and the way the hand played out it was my only way of winning this hand. Trying to work on my game every session and this hand was a tough one. How would you have played it?
Way too MUBSY here with KK dude. Who cares if he has AA? Pay him off! This isn't Casino Royale. You need to be 3betting this hand or quitting poker. This is not the spot to be putting V1 on AA. A limp/raise from UTG or a 4bet/5bet by a player you have A LOT of history with is when you start putting someone on exactly AA. Not an open after two limps. Do you think he's just limping here with JJ-QQ,AK? No.

This is an easy check back on the river. Here's a good piece of advice never turn KK or AA into a bluff. Ever. It's strong enough on its own to get to showdown with and hands that beat it you should not expect to be folding out.

And you didn't play this hand 'bad' you played it 'poorly'.
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05-23-2017 , 05:16 PM
There are spots you can put players on AA after not many hands. This is not one of them.

Here is one for free: someone tight opens big under the gun and an old man min-3bets out of the blinds is pretty reliably Aces.

V1 opened for second time in an hour. That's twice in 30 hands. He gets AA once in 220 hands.

When V2 checked the river you should be pleased you don't have a tough decision. Check it back and win vs his QX and lose to his 7X. Simple and cheap.
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05-23-2017 , 05:27 PM
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Originally Posted by Rich Checkmaker
Way too MUBSY here with KK dude. Who cares if he has AA? Pay him off! This isn't Casino Royale. You need to be 3betting this hand or quitting poker. This is not the spot to be putting V1 on AA. A limp/raise from UTG or a 4bet/5bet by a player you have A LOT of history with is when you start putting someone on exactly AA. Not an open after two limps. Do you think he's just limping here with JJ-QQ,AK? No.

This is an easy check back on the river. Here's a good piece of advice never turn KK or AA into a bluff. Ever. It's strong enough on its own to get to showdown with and hands that beat it you should not expect to be folding out.

And you didn't play this hand 'bad' you played it 'poorly'.
What he said , but I'll be 20x meaner. Raise to kings , they fold , you increase your stack by .5 to 1% for another line . You know people who say that they don't get paid off with big hands or suck out to this. They aren't playing poker . The last few hands I cashed out we're mariginal hands 810o,78s(strong) and 34s. I even paid $35 preflop with the 34s and missed my wheel on the river. I knew he had a weak ace but didn't fire the 3rd barrel because it was a coinflip for him calling or not calling (player was capable of folding A, bad kicker . Anyhow none of my money was from KK or shoving preflop . I've learned to come to terms it's not about the money and about the wins . It's about playing good poker and that takes a lot of energy and skill

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05-23-2017 , 05:32 PM
I think pretty bad, first off if you have a player calling with 37o out of the Big Blind, you also said he folded trips face up earlier a couple times? Wow So something isn't clicking with me here about this guy. From you described, he's a major spazz.

Second off, Re-raise with KK here, it's a very bad habit to put someone on exactly 1 hand, range him, JJ+, AKs+ and you are ahead of his range I'm sure. If he has AA here and repops it pre then you can think about folding but to just call here is bad.

Flop-Ok
Turn-Ok
River- I'm checking behind in this spot. I think you out leveled yourself here pre and on the river.
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05-23-2017 , 05:38 PM
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Originally Posted by macktyson
I think pretty bad, first off if you have a player calling with 37o out of the Big Blind, you also said he folded trips face up earlier a couple times? Wow So something isn't clicking with me here about this guy. From you described, he's a major spazz.

Second off, Re-raise with KK here, it's a very bad habit to put someone on exactly 1 hand, range him, JJ+, AKs+ and you are ahead of his range I'm sure. If he has AA here and repops it pre then you can think about folding but to just call here is bad.

Flop-Ok
Turn-Ok
River- I'm checking behind in this spot. I think you out leveled yourself here pre and on the river.
We all know if he got AA he is going to play aggressive I don't even know how this became an AA vs KK . Villian was passive didn't really like his 7 with a weak kicker . In fact the river bluff was confirmation for him that he should be calling the bluff

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05-25-2017 , 05:29 AM
KK was good today , ran into a whale, golden.
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