History with V: Hero raises $12 UTG with AA, SB and V in BB call. Flop: J62r, Hero bets $20, V calls. Turn: J, checks around. River: 5, V bets $20, Hero calls. V shows KJo FTW.

Hero raises $15 UTG with KK,
3 calls- CO, V (BTN), BB

All stacks are around $300.

FLOP ($60): J64r
Hero bets $30, CO & BTN call

TURN ($150): 4 (badugi)
Hero checks, CO checks, BTN bets $60, Hero tank-calls, CO folds

RIVER ($270): 7x
Hero shoves $180

Flop: Sized it for half pot as board is pretty dry. And I'm sick of losing with KK in a 4-way pot if raised. Plan is to b/f as nobody raises TP in these nitty games.

Turn: Great card for me. However, if I double barrel here into two players, my hand becomes face up as an overpair or TP+ given my image and these players will surely fold Jx a lot of the time based on my observation. I know this means I should double barrel with air more often in this a lot to rep an OP, but let's be real- how often do we have the balls to do that? If I had AK/air, etc. in this spot, I'd check/give up almost always vs 2 players. So I go for deception and decide to check, being almost confident that atleast one of them will bet their Jx for value. And that's what happens. I consider shoving but that looks very strong and I don't think they're calling a shove here with Jx. So I decide to go for a stop-and-go play and just call to look weaker, planning to lead out most rivers.

River: Pretty inconsequential card but could be better as some straight draws and 77 get there. I decide to shove anyway. In retrospect, is a $100 bet better to get Jx to call?

That's a stop and go??? Thought that was a tournament thing where you're shortstacked OOP and call a raise pre-flop then shove the flop.

I'd bet like 45 OTF. A 1/2 pot bet risks getting getting calls from gutshots, which isn't necessarily bad, though you have to be careful when those draws get there. And 53 and 85 did get there.

I'd bet the turn. If it turns your hand face up you aren't bluffing enough. Though a x/c is okay if you're pretty sure villain is betting.

River shove seems fine.

You're only 100BB deep and you have KK. Seems correct to go for three streets of value. Some draws did come in but not that many.

V bet OTT, we can eliminate straight draws from his range I think because he's just checking those behind vs 2 players and seeing a free river. And he doesn't even have those in his flatting range pre. His range is HEAVILY skewed towards Jx or better.

Where anybody can identify your fancy line?
You just missed a street of betting and give tons of free cards. What advantage gives you this fancy super advanced play?

In the low limit NL games don't you worry that by betting on the turn you scare dudes out of the pot. If they like their hand they will call and play any hand. The 1/2 and 1/3 is the kids game where they play to get practical experience. They have no idea what they do.
If you ask a 1/2 guy why he's raising with AJ/AT/KJ/KT/QJ/QT, they have no idea or they will give you a stupid reason. Or if there is a raise up-front and 4 callers of that raise and all are monkeys and fish and a guy on the button has AQo and he calls too. Why he called and what hand he expects to beat the entire gang before him? - Does he still have any outs in the deck? They have no idea. ..wtf? ..., They just play slot-machine with live cards.

I think your play is good as a different line to mix in now and then. I also like a crai on the turn once he bets $60.

Question: Do you play anything other than KK+ UTG?
It's a great line, as it gives your Vs the impression that you play hands other than KK+ UTG & then ya' fool 'em!
crai ott per Mike Starr

lol, it's just a co-incidence that all my dramatic hands these days are the ones when I have KK.

P.S. Why CRAI if I'm confident they won't call Jx?

Why are you confidant he wont call with Jx?

The only difference between your line and a turn crai is that villain gets to see the river before he decides if he wants to call the last $180.

No, I think there's a difference. For example, if I was V with AJ/KJ and Hero c/rai OTT, I'd snap fold there. However if Hero just c/c turn AND led river for $100, I'd call there a lot because the line makes no sense. Which is why I think I should have led $100 OTR instead of shoving.

It's 2017, a thinking player is folding Jx to a turn CRAI all day there. You have to start thinking outside the box when you're facing players who can BET/FOLD TP imo.

Sure, but there's nothing in your OP that says hes a thinking player or that he will bet/fold TP. Most people wont.

Again, I do like your line. I was just throwing out another possibility.

The only reason to regularly check turn is as a max exploit to V barreling perceived weakness. That line would then require you to check the river as well.

It's going to be tough to precisely quantify, but when you're in a game where you can get 3 streets of value from OOP then you should take the line that allows you to do that most often. Betting thrice likely outperforms any other line on average and any adjustments you make would be more sizing-related.

You're also working in exactly zero bluffs here which makes it that much easier for me to call better fold worse as V in the hand... especially after being bet-c ott and especially on this river.

44/66/A4bdfd/54bdfd/JJ are all in my turn betting range. 77 just got there that I check and I'd be extremely unlikely to call your river bet with AJ if I were betting it ott in the first place. I mean, if you had JJ you would take this line never and doing it with a capped range is asinine against anyone with a brain.

calling to set up a bet in a spot where you end up with zero bluffs isnt fancy. Its repping what you have.

Since you were the one at the table & tanked, I assume you decided you were ahead when you called Button's $60 bet into a $150 pot. I'm assuming that you concluded he doesn't bet size that amount with a set [boat] or trips & that he probably has AJ, KJ etc.

You decided, that despite the fact that V slowplayed trip Js earlier, that you are ahead. If that's not what you concluded & weren't sure & willing to fold to a sizeable River bet..... However, isn't he taking you to value town if he bets small OTT & OTR with his set of 6s?

This fairly uncoordinated, rainbow Flop, is perfect for slowplaying middle set.
However, it's hard to flop a set. 5x harder to flop 2pr.

I don't want a 3rd coming along to the River, because he likes money odds, putting me up against more outs. I also assumed that you don't believe CO has a 4.

Now, if you're not sure you're ahead OTT & willing to c/f the River to another bet, that's another story. If CO appears ready to fold, calling to let Button continue OTR with his AJ/KJ is fine, so long as he doesn't overbet River when something like a 7 comes.

DISCLAIMER: I am not winning 10BBs per hr over my last 2500 hrs of play, so I am not a Crusher.

You have a constant recurring theme in all your HHs: you raise, and get called in eleventeen spots, and end up very multiway, often OOP to many, in low SPR pots where all our postflop decisions suck. If that's the spot you are fine with being in, keep doing what you are doing preflop; otherwise, do something else.

SPR is < 5. Good luck figuring out where you are before it's too late, imo.

The good news that our turn check may have underrepped our hand enough to actually have someone with a worse hand pay us off. The bad news is that we raised preflop UTG and cbet into the world, plus played our AA hand the exact same way; I mean, if we're playing with idiots, fine, but otherwise we pretty much always have what we have.

ETA: I have zero idea what games other players are playing in, but if you have a tight image (this is questionable?), raise UTG, get called by eleventeen players, and then bet 3 postflop streets on a dry board and someone manages to pay you off with worse (even AJ), you are playing in a *very* good game. If you are double and triple barrelling a lot here with air (are you?), ok, maybe that doesn't apply. Otherwise, I'm fine with any non ABC face up I-haz-overpair-I-bet/bet/bet postflop line.

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It's actually not hard to flop a set. I think I figured out once (and I stand to be corrected) that someone at a 10 handed table should be flopping a set once every 40 minutes. Last session out, I played in 6 hands postflop that I was interested in (that's a decent amount of hands for someone as nitty as me), and someone had flopped a set 5 times and trips once.

I think we incorrectly chalk these up as "coolers", but unless your opponents are so terrible that they are consistently putting in 3 streets of betting in a multiway pot with just TP facing bet/bet/bet/bet from the raiser, most times when someone is continuing they simply have the hand that is "hard" to hit.

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