Based on your reads, fact is, this dude will shove with the exact same range $300 deep as $1200, so you can call with the same range too. He will totally get out of line with Kc5c or even AK. You arent way ahead of his range, but youre ahead and happy to GII.

Obviously call turn ship river here. Gives added bonus of getting to fold if an A, Kc, or Qc comes.

I'm not seeing this anywhere in the reads? If anything, OP has made points along the way that suggest the opposite, no?

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fish in general tend to view deepstacked decisions the same as normal all in decisions, where they already overplay their medium strength hands. Loose fishy is exactly the type of villan who will lose their whole stack because they cant get away from a flush or AK on this board.

I guess it really comes down to your own experiences. Every "fishy" type player I've ever played is of the casino-reg fish variety. They're never actively committing huge $$$$ stacks with a flush/etc. here against the preflop raiser on this board ("I can't raise, the board is paired" / "the pot is big enough"). They're probably not going to fold to some big bets. But they're not going to actively work towards getting in $1200 stacks in a $300 BI game.

At least, that's my experience, in my $300 BI game. Others may differ.

ETA: I mean, if this guy is working towards $1200 stacks with just Ax on this board he'd literally be the worst player I've ever played with. Is that who we're playing?

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Unfortunately "fish" isn't a great description because everyone has their own opinion of what a fish is and how they play. OP providing more info on V, if he even has any, is the only way to figure out they type of player he is. a west coast LA fish is going to probably be different than east coast AC fish which will probably be different than a Florida fish.

That said, I doubt there is too much more to talk about

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Given description of villain I am never nut hugging deep vs these players live. If he is super passve post flop, well - we can start to build an argument that we're DOA otherwise I hike up my skirt and call down. Even an aggressive Villain isn't shoving the river with anything except maybe top boat and quads this deep - qualify this with it is still a non-zero % of the time but i expect it to be small enough we can profitably ignore it. The likelihood of you encountering a villain at 1/3 good enough to realize they need to turn their flush into a bluff to fold out your middling FH coupled with the fact that they realize you might be disciplined enough to even make that fold is just absurd.

I disagree. I think there's a certain limit to how much money fish will stack off with based on the strength of their hand. How many times have you seen a fish snap check back the river, roll over a straight or a flush while clearly missing a value bet and say "there was a flush out there" or "there was a boat out there"? I've seen it way too often.

It clearly depends where you're playing whether fish will get in 400BB with a decent hands like a flush or only do it with the nuts. I've played at a casino where this hand would be instant fold facing a river shove, and others where I wouldn't dream of letting this go in a million years. LordRiverRat has the best idea of how loose and gambly the fish are in his casino or card room, so it's tough for anyone to say authoritatively "no way a fish will fold X here" or "fish play short stack and deep stack the same."

I think in most locales I'm never folding here but there are places I might.