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05-28-2017 , 12:41 PM
Hero (400) SB: 30s Asian guy, has been relatively card dead. Hadn't done much but did win a hand recently with AQ vs another player where I got 2 streets on Q high. Playing fairly tight and hasn't gotten out of line much.

Villain (900) UTG+1: seems like a decent reg. Plays widely preflop, saw him attempt a bluff post in a multiway pot on a low board after preflop raiser checked. Played 2 hands earlier with villain, one where we were heads up and he flopped trips vs my AA and I value owned myself on river. Another one where he called a $15 raise from sb when I had about 170 at the time, flopped top 2 and check raised me multiway on A82 with 2 hearts, I had AQ.

Preflop: villain raises 10 in utg+1, about 2 people call, I raise to 60 with AT sb. Villain snap calls without a thought, everyone else folds.

I think I'm ahead of villains 10 raise here. Looks like an implied odds type of hand, suited connectors, small pairs, maybe suited ace. My hand plays much better heads up with initiative.

Flop (140): J33 rainbow. I check, villain bets 50, I call.

I thought flop was dry enough that I could represent an over pair by checking, then going bet bet if he checked, or if he bet, I could call, go check check turn, then lead river. I thought villain would float here a lot and take stabs with gifs entire range if I check. Still thought my hand was best.

Turn (340): A. I think and check, villain jams fairly quickly.

The A is a good card for me obviously since now I have top pair, so I check to let him either barrel or most likely, check back. When he jams, I was confused, don't know of any hands he'd play like this except maybe A3 or AJ? However, how often would he call a huge 3bet with those hands? But then again, what hands could he be bluffing with?





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05-28-2017 , 12:56 PM
Why on god's green earth do you think you have the best hand on this flop
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05-28-2017 , 01:18 PM
I sense tilt going on with this hand. The villain basically has pwned you so far, so you decided you're going to show him who has bigger balls. Nothing you wrote says he's opening as wide as you are implying with your 3 bet oop pf. You didn't say he has a sizing tell with his raises. All I see is a bunch of hope.

The only purpose I see in calling the flop is if you know he is cbetting air a lot. With your hand, you're better off x/r the flop if that is your play.

After betting small on the flop, he shoves on the turn. All you have is a bluff catcher. The pot is 240, not 340 btw. You need to be good over 35% of the time. Since aces represent a big part of your range from his perspective, bluffing this much would be foolhardy. Of course, this is 1/3 so you can expect to see this from time to time.

On average, I don't expect you to be good against his range that often. Congrats if you won the hand. You caught the bottom part of that range.
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05-28-2017 , 01:50 PM
If villain is aggressive he can be wide preflop. However ATo plays terrible OOP, your raise is a bluff not a value bet. If villain will raise and then fold to a 3 bet then it's OK. If he calls reraises too often then don't reraise with weak aces.

The turn is exactly the sort of situation that makes this hard to play. Villain can be trying to bluff you off a middle pair or he can be trying to value you when he has a good ace or turns up with some other stupid big hand. You just have to guess if he is bluffing enough, I would expect he has a better ace too often for calling to be profitable.
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05-28-2017 , 01:56 PM
I don't really like it. Part of the problem is that your hand shouldn't have gotten to this point. ATo with no BDFD is a pretty weak check/call in a 3-bet pot, even on a dry board for a small sizing. Now on the turn you have top pair, but you chop with worse aces and lose to AK/AQ. AK/AQ make significantly better flop floats partially for the reason that when you do get there you can be more confident in your hand.

Fold pre, fold flop. You have plenty of better hands for 3-betting pre and floating flop. Pre you can at least wait for a suited combo. I guess I call now, but really not liking it.
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05-28-2017 , 02:24 PM
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Flop (140): J33 rainbow. I check, villain bets 50, I call.

I thought flop was dry enough that I could represent an over pair by checking, then going bet bet if he checked, or if he bet, I could call, go check check turn, then lead river. I thought villain would float here a lot and take stabs with gifs entire range if I check. Still thought my hand was best.
This sounds like you're leveling yourself. (I think he'll float/stab so I'll do what I think he'll think an overpair would do.) A lot of the time he's just playing 100% straightforward and letting his opponent make mistakes.
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05-28-2017 , 03:38 PM
You bluff raise pre flop didn't work. Now either c/f or cbet. Being oop with this hand I lean toward c/f
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05-28-2017 , 04:31 PM
Preflop is a fold. There are a ton of better hands you can 3bet in this spot: TT+, suited broadways, A2s-A5s, AQ+. Even a hand like 65s would be better to 3bet imo.

On the flop, if you are going to check here, you should just fold to any bet.
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05-29-2017 , 01:12 PM
Anything to make of the small open raise size? I'm guessing we're reading this as weakness thus our 3bet? For me, building a bloated pot OOP against a tricky player with a meh hand just ain't worth it. I just nit fold preflop and move on.

I understand our flop thinking, as check/call certainly does look like a bluff inducing pair; this will set things up for a check/check turn, where we can then bet the river UI and probably take it down a lot (getting him off a pair). Still, I think I'd rather just bet small on the flop myself and hopefully get it over on this one street (instead of setting up a 3 street bluff / situation).

Definitely checking the turn A to bluffcatch.

Overall, I think we showed a crapload of weakness postflop (which is fine), so I think we just have to grit our teeth and call. If we lose our stack, it's not cuz of postflop, it's cuz of preflop.

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05-29-2017 , 06:26 PM
Preflop fold unless you just feel like flatting (minor tilty and you are still grasping). $60 preflop OOP after what he has done to you in the last while, ***ahem***, get your tickets to the the Tilt-o-Whirl boys and girls.

He has you murdered here. AJ, AQ, AK, AA, JJ most likely candidates (if you say but i have blockers to the ace i'm gonna explode), etc....

he is NEVER bluffing here. He knows you are on tilt and knows you have a weaker than what you rep ace, which you do. whatever villain has is likely has you WAY behind if not drawing dead. This random jam play on a player who is on tilt is a classic move to pull out when your opponent is tiliting. This play is NEVER a bluff since the tilt monster always pays off
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