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05-24-2017 , 05:01 PM
Hero (480) : 21 yr old white guy. TAG image I think, only showed down a couple of hands, one where I iso'd a limp to 15 with AJdd, call in mp and limper calls. flop j10x i bet 30, mp raises 70 and i shove and can't beat QQ, another where I flopped a set with 77 against V1 and we gii on the turn on Q722, he couldn't fold q9.

Villain 1 (250) : guy who is almost drunk, opening quite a wide range, i've 3bet him a few times when he's opened small (less than $10) and he folded each time.

Villain 2 (285) : early 40's white guy, very passive. Saw him call a $15 bet with 66 on 875 and then called a squeeze to 60 on the same street. Gives the impression that he likes to chase draws, has c/f a few hands where obvious draws missed.

Villain 3 (400) : late 20's white guy, seems drunk or just not very bright, probably drunk. Saw him limp call with q10 and donk on bth streets q10xx and then go to shove but check on blank river. Also, limped 66 and c/c 2 streets A86x and checked back 5 river. Also calling a lot of hands pre. So seems loose pre but tight post flop.

OTTH : V1 opens 15 in LJ, V2 calls in HJ, V3 calls in CO, I 3b 70 in sb with AKo, V1 folds, V2 and V3 call.

My sizing might be a little small?, considering how wide both V2 and V3 have been calling pre.

Flop (225): Q52cc. Should I cbet here? I end up betting 105 (again, too small?). I can still get value from V2s flush draws and I feel like I can get some folds from middle pairs on this board as the pot is getting quite big.

Last edited by Garick; 05-24-2017 at 06:14 PM. Reason: removed results
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05-24-2017 , 05:13 PM
Ha, we just had a AK 3bet thread, so I might sound like a broken record.

I'd like to setup a flop PSB shove HU when we whiff. So I'd probably go to about $85 preflop, which will setup a HU <= PSB shove against either V1 or V2. I'm guessing V3 is less likely to be our target, but if we feel he is, then I'd go larger, say $120. This is due to my belief that all of these opponents will have a completely inelastic calling range to any "large" bet within this <= ~$120 range, so I simply raise an amount that will setup a PSB shove. Others will disagree with this inelastic belief (as they did in the other thread).

Going 3ways against fish who overall kinda seem passive but stationy, I might lean to a check/fold. If I was to bet, I might bet just a lol $50 just to take the pot now if they don't have anything.

Last edited by Garick; 05-24-2017 at 06:15 PM. Reason: removed reference to results
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05-24-2017 , 06:17 PM
I agree with GG on C/F'ing the flop. Best way to exploit passive players is to make exploitive folds. These guys (especially V2) are very likely to bet when they are ahead and check it back with FD's and worse hands. (Maybe not AcKc but that's not here nor there.) If you make it to the turn you can bet to charge draws.
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05-24-2017 , 07:35 PM
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Originally Posted by $FishWreck$
I agree with GG on C/F'ing the flop. Best way to exploit passive players is to make exploitive folds. These guys (especially V2) are very likely to bet when they are ahead and check it back with FD's and worse hands. (Maybe not AcKc but that's not here nor there.) If you make it to the turn you can bet to charge draws.
But what about hands like 88 or 99, should I be betting to try and get these hands to fold? Because I think a decent amount of the time these hands will fold on flops like this.
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05-24-2017 , 11:34 PM
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Originally Posted by Falconhoof
But what about hands like 88 or 99, should I be betting to try and get these hands to fold? Because I think a decent amount of the time these hands will fold on flops like this.
Gotta make good players fold their lower A bad kicker lol

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05-25-2017 , 11:16 AM
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Originally Posted by Falconhoof
But what about hands like 88 or 99, should I be betting to try and get these hands to fold? Because I think a decent amount of the time these hands will fold on flops like this.
Not convinced that both of these particular guys are going to do that.

If we managed to get this HU with just a PSB left, I'd probably shove; ok chance we're ahead, sometimes we get the lone guy to fold a better (but very weak) hand, and if we get called then ~25% of the time we suck out.

GcluelessNLnoobG
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05-25-2017 , 03:15 PM
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Originally Posted by gobbledygeek
Not convinced that both of these particular guys are going to do that.

If we managed to get this HU with just a PSB left, I'd probably shove; ok chance we're ahead, sometimes we get the lone guy to fold a better (but very weak) hand, and if we get called then ~25% of the time we suck out.

GcluelessNLnoobG
ok ty
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