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04-21-2017 , 11:55 PM
H: just lost a big hand only 100 dollars and is in the cutoff with A9 of spades. Didn't get to reload yet.

V: has been active and playing lots of pots with hero and doubled hero up earlier in the session. Raising a lot pre and taking stabs at a lot of pots (raised with pocket 5s UTG and bet into 3 people on a Q J 10 flop earlier)

OTTH: folds to hero who raises to 8. V is in the SB and three bets to 21. Should we just fold ? Play in position? Or ship it.

I just called ( prob the worst out of them
All?) flop is 4 J A he checks and i jam...
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04-22-2017 , 12:05 AM
8 seems awfully small - Go ahead and fold unless you're near-certain his 3b range is super wide/trash in which case you can jam for thin value, however, even spewy Vs tend to tighten up 3b ranges a notch or two facing opens from short stacks. I'd just let this one go, top off, and get back to work.
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04-22-2017 , 05:00 AM
I would 4! Jam this pre I think.
It's a really decent 4! Bluff hand as we block AA, and have on over card to everything else.
It might even be a value jam? Is sb's range is wide enough, but I'm under no real illusions here, I am 4betting this as a bluff that I know will have decent equity if called...
I also agree 8 is far to small pre for llsnl
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04-22-2017 , 03:05 PM
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Should fold provided we have a decent image....but your kind of missing the point...
We can be thinking of this in two ways,1 is 4! Jam.bluff to get rid of hands above,
The other way is for value vs the rest of villans hands....

A9 isn't going to play well post flop when we only have 1 move, and are going to have to bluff shove alot of floos that we miss to make a call profitable, or we can just fold to the 3!, but if we are folding this hand to every 3! From the blinds we are going to get owned....
We have a short stack. We should utilise it now hope for folds, be secure we have reasonable equity if we get called....
This is a basic short stack play tbh Imo...
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04-22-2017 , 07:30 PM
What was your thinking on the flop? Preflop is w/e compared to the flop.

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04-22-2017 , 08:00 PM
I'm not too versed playing under 100bb but I think jamming or folding pre is best. I probably just fold and reload.
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04-23-2017 , 12:04 AM
I think at that stack (~30bbs), raise to 15/fold to 3bet. As played, jam on flop is fine.
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04-23-2017 , 05:55 AM
^ playing 30bb we shouldn't be raise folding ever....
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04-23-2017 , 05:58 AM
Pre is only 7bb! Any option is never going to be a huge error.

Flop is 26bb of terribleness!

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04-24-2017 , 11:50 AM
There are no excuses for not re-loading if you wanted to reload.

Don't think I love our seat with this active tricky guy having position on us.

Also kinda tricky preflop. I'm sure this guy is well aware that an LP open could easily be cheese and put us in a tough spot (either preflop with a 3bet or postflop with a check/raise to our cbet that will likely whiff). Against fit/fold opponents, I'm fine with the small raise. With this guy in the BB, I might just open limp or even just open fold.

How often have we seen this guy 3bet? One of my instincts here this short is to just rip it in. The problem is that he's put in 1/4rd of the very small effective stacks; our FE should be 0. So the question becomes are we ahead enough to rip it in? If he's not 3betting a lot, probably not.

Don't like just calling. We're rarely going to hit anything and then what do we do when he commits us with a flop bet? Just call it off with A high?

Nice flop. Why did we bet? The SPR is so small that we could get stacks in with just one slight overbet. This guy is obviously bluffy, so just check back and let him do his thing. Heck, I'd check back the turn too unless the board starts getting uber drawy. By betting, we let him play perfectly. ETA: A jam on the flop when committed against an ABC guy who is never bluffing or leading any street with their underpair is fine (no reason to give a free card); jamming against this guy is pretty meh, imo.

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04-24-2017 , 12:50 PM
Fold or ship it in pre flop.
Our opening looks weakish so he can easily be trying to steal/iso here.

As played, shipping the flops only get called by better and folds out worse.
Normally betting small, checking turn and shoving river will show a better profit overall without history.
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04-24-2017 , 01:12 PM
Preflop, you should know what you're doing to a 3b before you raise. Plan the hand!

Also consider how different raise sizes will affect pre and post play. Against this guy, consider just calling on the button so that he can raise and you can then 3b, putting him in the hot spot.

If you're going to raise an amount that leaves you unsure how to handle a reraise, then (if you can) make the amount either more or less so that you have an easier decision.

As played, if you call, there will be 40ish in the pot with 80 behind. If you hit TP (either A or 9-hi brd), will you commit? What do you think V's 3b range is?

A9s has pretty good equity against a strong continuing range: it's about 30% against TT+, AK. With 32 in the pot now (8 + 21 + 3) we need him to fold at least 51% of the time for jamming to be more than breakeven:

Equity if called: 30% * 108 - 70% * 92 = -32
51% fold ==> 51% * 32 - 49% * 32 > 0

TT+, AK has 39 combos, so we need at least 39 combos that he'll 3b/fold. Some people will have that many, some won't. Candidates include hands like AQo, AJo, ATo and smaller PP that aren't happy to gii as a big dog or tiny favorite.

Note that the more you raise, the easier the jam becomes since there's more in the pot. The less you raise, the easier it is to fold. Of course, other factors begin to dominate the decision making when you're either raising small or limping.

In this spot, I'd be inclined to jam pre, but that may say more about me than the spot. I prefer to be the attacker and to have the other players playing pretty square against me. Jamming here is probably either slightly positive or slightly negative so it's a good hand to pretend I'm all tough and macho and won't be pushed around.

As played OTF, I think you can check it back or make a standard bet. Jamming will tend to give lots of money to hands that beat you while letting weaker ones get away. In any case, you should probably be committed. If you're not committed on this flop, calling pre was indeed a clear mistake.
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04-24-2017 , 01:35 PM
Raise bigger pre or fold. You have 30bb so you need to know when stacks get in pre or on the flop.

If you decide to fold on the flop, you should have folded pre
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