Hi all need help with a hand I just played recently

Game is 1/3 effective stacks are around 300.

V: new to the game played with him before best player at the table very tagish

H: Probably seen as Tag to some people but passive to others

Hand: Hero has A10in the cutoff and open raises to 12. V is on the button and just flats. All others fold. Flop Q77 Hero bets 20 V raises to 55. Hero calls. Turn 2 Hero checks V bets 60. Hero?

Given that hitting an A is good, you can call here. Turn bet is pretty small.

I don't like the play after the flop bet. He's the best player at the table and you want to draw to a flush OOP on a paired board when he's showing aggression? I'd think him being IP would discount some PPs that would merely float instead of raise too. Seems to weigh his range more towards value hands like Qx, 7x. There surely must be better spots than this. I fold to the raise.

Tagish player shouldn't have too many 7s in his range, IMO. If you call the flop, turn is a trivial call.

I'd either raise again on th flop or c/r all in on thisvturn

Not claiming this to be the optimal play, but if you want to potentially make a meta game play (or a play that might be profitable), reraise gii flop.

It's ok if he has some 7x, but if he stacks off with FD or Qx, and has some bluffs/weak PPs in his range that he'll fold, the play is pretty solid. <<If not, this is spewy. It's high variance - so I wouldn't suggest it if that's not something your into, but just a thought.

Really good for table image too. If you can afford to spew off a buy in, even his calling range is going to contain very few boats so you will have almost enough equity to make it +Ev. The line also looks very strong. Your range is completely uncapped, where V's is capped.

As played we are deep enough to make the call on the turn, but how comfortable is it to get in the rest of your stack when the river is a on a paired board? As a general rule, I do not enjoy drawing to flushes on paired boards.

Not sure if we want to be to the direct right of the best player at the table, unless he's just going to be super tight and not get in any hands.

I'm also typically raising small when it is folded to me here.

Why do I get the feeling a cbet is going to take this down exactly never? If that's the case, I probably don't bet. If we are going to cbet, there is no reason to bet so much, plus we typically give ourselves a lot worse odds if he raises (such as here). Weird spot once he raises. If he doesn't have a 7, we should have decent equity against most of his hands, plus should have some decent FE if we jam; I'm also guessing our IO might not be that good (is a good player going to pay us off if we hit?). I might consider a jam.

As played, on the turn we're getting slightly better than 3:1. Since the board is paired, we likely only have 8 outs and thus need to make up 2 bets on the river to break even. Will he pay off $120+ into $255 on the river if our draw comes in? Plus it's possible (although unlikely) that we're drawing dead. Also possible our A is live. Probably close, but in the end I think we overestimate our IO OOP against a good player.

GcluelessNLnoobG

The A is very likely good here the only real hand combo that kills the A out is AQ as Villain has 0 boats here, maybe maybe QQ but as played unlikely and if he is as TAG as your read indicates should have very few 7's.
Agree with above that 3/b jamming flop has merit but as played this is a call.

An additional question when we do call here and the river is the 4 what is the best line to get paid?

What line do we take with A?

I believe as played calling the turn is correct , but getting value from a tough tag IP on the river seems more difficult. Curious as to the best lines with the above 2 examples

Just other things to consider regarding calling the turn bet:

If a tight Villain has a Q, then his most likely other card is an A (thus reducing those as outs and increasing our RIO).

If Villain somehow has 7x, then we lose our stack when he hits his kicker that makes our flush (again, have to factor in the times we lose our stack here when trying to figure out if this call is going to be profitable).

GcluelessoutsnoobG

I don't get this. It seems like a good place to c-bet. The flop rarely hits V. Hero can legitimately rep AQ, KQ, QQ+. Why would TAG villain choose this spot to float wide?

I like checking the flop here also:
* Ahi is probably still the best hand
* only better hands you can fold out are AK and AJ and you're still 50/50 with them
* our nut flush is disguised
* flop going check/check doesn't hurt us at all, and we can credibly rep plenty of hands that would make him fold his medium/weak made hands
* I like checking the top of our range here (KK+) too

if vill bets, c/r:
* I'm ok playing for 100bb stacks with the nfd and an over
* a good sized c/r might be a committing bet for vill, so we can leverage his stack with 1 bet
* for a thinking villain this looks like KK+
* this makes turn a lot easier to play since you have initiative and are over-repped
* your PFR/c/r range is way way way crushing his call PF/bet when checked to range
* you can probably call villain's shove if you're down for bingo
* getting into raising wars with good players can be very good for the meta
* getting aggro-trappy with the guy on your direct left will discourage him from calling your PFR light and messing with you
* playing it like this makes it easier to get paid when he calls and you bink the floosh

as played:
* flop is really close. I think fold is slightly better than raise which is slightly better than call. still I think there is a fine argument for each action and you should think more about either: a. this specific scenario, how you feel about what this guy has right now or b. randomizing your play. I lean toward a fold since we are OOP against a good player who should have more 7s than usual (button). I like 3b more than calling but we rep a narrow range; however our opponent should be able to fold a hand as good as QJ or even AQ to this action (unlike most players at these stakes).
* I prefer calling turn. I understand the argument for crai turn, but his sizing looks like value and I don't think we have the FE necessary. would need to be very sure he's capable of bluff-raising flop and then v-bet bluffing or to know that he sizes his bluffs small (it's pretty common for TAGs to bet smaller with bluffs in my experience) or to be sure he's capable of folding AQ after putting in more than 1/3 of his stack.

Villain is described as best player at the table; doesn't strike me as someone who is simply going to go away easy to a cbet on this flop to a CO open.

GimoG

So what range did you put V on when he called your preflop raise? 22-QQ, AK, AQ? maybe some of the larger SCs like 98s+. Figure he would reraise with KK or AA.

Flop: $194 in the pot and you have to call $60. A little over 2-1 odds. Two problems arise. Even if you hit the flush, he could have a boat with the paired board. You said he was TAGish. Also, you call this and you are pretty much pot committed.

I probably find a fold. I do not like being OOP facing agression when even if I hit my flush there is a possibility I lose to a boat.

If the guy was a LAGgy maniac type, maybe I stick around. but based on your description of villian, I could find a fold,

Yeah...but would a good V perceive tight/tightish hero in a 1/3 game as opening that wide pre from the CO?

I belabor the point because I c-bet the Q high and no middle card flop pretty much always, and I am someone who c-bets a little less than half the time.

Don't get me wrong: if I open preflop, get it HU, and flop the nut flush draw, I'm cbetting *almost* always (heck, with our equity the bet is often simply for pure value). But if Villain thinks we have half a clue, then I just think that cbet rarely works in this particular case (our opening range probably seen as wide here, OOP, this board super hard to get any pair to fold, he's probably good enough to float, etc.), so I'm not as pumped about it.

GcluelesscbetnoobG

If we think villain is tag, why would we put him on a boat o.O

Bet/call with that sizing is good. 77 is heavily discounted, QQ near nonexistent, and we know which flush outs are clean and which aren't, so we can make good enough decisions to make it okay.