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Just for the record, did our opponent just call a $75 3bet from out of the blinds from a relatively tight player for 20% of his stack with the monster known as ATs?

And yet everyone is arguing he folds at a much higher rate for a little more?

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Yes he did, and one of the reasons villain did just that (decided to continue in the hand with A10 suited)may very well be that OP sized his 3 bet appropriate in this spot. So kudos to him for that, because he is printing money when villain is in there with that wide of a range to a 3 bet.

And yes: chances are that he just sigh dumps the A10 suited if you blast too big preflop and villain whispers to himself "man that was a freaking lot to pay for seing a flop, i just fold and move on to the next hand".

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05-24-2017 , 03:48 PM

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gobbledygeek

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Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 36,150

Regarding preflop sizing, all we can do here is agree to disagree.

I'm sure all of our conclusions are shaped by the games we play in, so my guess is we've probably played in drastically different games / had vastly different experiences to arrive at our own conclusions.

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05-24-2017 , 04:19 PM

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matzah_ball

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Originally Posted by V3ttz3ao

That's the attitude that doesn't allow players to play higher stakes and keeps them at lower limits. Just because your opponent doesn't think about ranges and distributions doesn't mean you shouldn't. That's just coming to their level. The answer in these games is not to play in a GTO style. It is to play is a mostly game theory fashion and to make the right exploitative plays when you are way ahead or way behind when the right situation dictates.

Here you just aren't way ahead. I feel like I sound like a total nit, but it is true. Why try to stack someone in a spot you are likely behind? For that 30% of the time you look cool? Or that 70% of the time you go "son of a B he can actually have a hand sometimes and then you go off muttering curse words and blame bad luck"

Or can you tuck your sack back for a second and truely think more about what he SHOULD have not what CAN he have.

I don't get your point. Sure, we SHOULD be crushed here. But against a loose 1/3 villain, we're not. We're quite ahead of his range, because his range is stupidly loose.

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05-24-2017 , 04:42 PM

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Dizzyqtp

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Originally Posted by gobbledygeek

I don't know if we're disagreeing on a fundamental level or not, so I'll make my side as clear as day just to clarify:

*Anyone who is calling $75 is calling $120.*

If you disagree, then we're simply not going to see eye-to-eye on this.

GcluelessNLnoobG

I disagree as well

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05-24-2017 , 08:19 PM

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sonnyalbo

old hand

Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 1,730

120 is 75% bigger than 75. How is there no difference in keeping the same range in with both amounts?

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05-24-2017 , 08:59 PM

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BackDoorFlush

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Originally Posted by gobbledygeek

*Anyone who is calling $75 is calling $120.*

I also strongly disagree with this. You must play in some really good games, because 1/3/15/120 is just ridiculous.

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