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04-26-2017 , 06:03 PM
1/2 Bar Game, 9 handed, where everyone is friends (most of us play in a home game with each other), (we are pretty much all individually winners at 1/2 and some of us 2/5 at our local casino), and playing deep (200BB+)

V1 is tightest player at the table but also maybe the least experienced, although still competent-ish (doesnt play in the home game with the others of us)

V2 is down and is therefore playing very loose to try and win back $.

OTTH

V1 opens UTG + 1 to $6 (standard for our game), 3 callers in MP/LP, Hero calls with 33 in SB, V2 calls from the BB (6 to the flop)

FLOP (Pot $36) - 389
Checks around (to my horror)

Turn (Pot $36) - J
Hero bets $25, V2 in BB calls $25, V1 raises to $100, folds around to Hero.
Hero ???

I ended up folding because 1) V1 was tightest player at our table and i just didn't think he would raise here without a straight or flush (thought he would flat all one and 2p hands and just didnt think 2p was likely since he didnt cbet flop) 2) I dont close action with V2 behind me (although in retrospect this seems like very trivial, probably not likely that he flatted my $25 bet with a flush since we're already on the turn and he'd want to build a pot.

I ended up making a fold that instantly left a bad taste in my mouth. If either V had a straight or flush I had 20% equity to boat up. Having to call 75 to win 185, we need 28%. Implied odds of when we hit our boat surely makeup for the lacking 8% and this should be an auto-call right?

Also, was wondering if you guys think we should be donking the flop given that it's so wet and PFR might be much less inclined to cbet into big multiway pot. (I was looking to check-raise).

Spoiler:
V2 folds and shows JT no heart, V1 also shows JT no heart. Rekt
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04-26-2017 , 06:33 PM
Bet flop.

AP, call turn. Leading turn is std once you didnt bet flop
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04-26-2017 , 07:34 PM
Bet the flop and don't be so afraid of flushes. Even if someone has one you still have 10 outs
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04-27-2017 , 09:11 AM
Have to bet this flop....
Easy call on the turn, even if we are just looking at boat outs vs a huge nit....although I doubt that and our set will be good here alot anyway.
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04-27-2017 , 01:47 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by fedsoc
I ended up making a fold that instantly left a bad taste in my mouth. If either V had a straight or flush I had 20% equity to boat up. Having to call 75 to win 185, we need 28%. Implied odds of when we hit our boat surely makeup for the lacking 8% and this should be an auto-call right?

Also, was wondering if you guys think we should be donking the flop given that it's so wet and PFR might be much less inclined to cbet into big multiway pot. (I was looking to check-raise).
You should be calling this for the reasons you listed. You could also still have the best hand. Could have been holding the A, some other combo draws, two pairs, etc.

I'm usually not for donking but the board is so wet and your hand is strong enough to withstand anything. People could put you on any sort of draw there and might be tempted to raise you, the donker, off your draw (or raise with their draw). In hindsight I would've donked but in real time I don't think I would have thought to donk this either.
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04-27-2017 , 05:34 PM
very surprised that flop checked through when they both had draws. Seems really bad.

As played i'm calling. Hard to imagine they check through a flush draw, but based on how bad they played the JT hands I guess it's possible.

I would put them on QT or AcX. Vs that range you should be calling getting pretty good odds.

Your flop check is bad. You should be leading these types of boards with sets because there are a lot of draws and random **** that should be able to call you. I generally check to PFR if there is A or K on the flop and will bet myself on draw heavy boards that are J and lower. You get floated more by AK high and sometimes they raise if they have QQ+. Also check raising is like always the nuts in live low stakes so I try to avoid doing that with a value hand unless I have to.
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04-27-2017 , 10:21 PM
Thanks for the responses everyone. Was pretty sure I butchered the hand but it's nice to know i was at least cognizant of it right after.

Question - lets say that the hand was just HU to the flop me and the PFR. Would you guys still be donking the flop in that case? I know the board is not good for the PFR's range and it is really wet, but I guess I just in general very rarely donk flops.
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