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05-24-2016 , 02:24 AM
hero- about $400 deep. 21 years old. has been at the table for about an hour and a half and has a TAG winning image. several players, including villain, have made comments about hero being akin to matt damon in rounders lol (their words, not mine)

villain- weak-passive MAWG. only notable hand i saw was when he opened with KK ep, x/c a QQ7 flop, then x/r all in on 4 turn and lost to KQ. he then took a 20 min break and has since reloaded for 200 and has been pretty inactive for the orbit or two he's been back.

UTG limps, villain limps in MP, CO and button limp, LB limps

hero is dealt Q6 in BB and checks

Flop is Q96 ($10 pot)
checks to villain who leads for $10
folds to hero with who raises to $28
only villain calls.

turn 3 ($62 pot)
hero bets $45
villain tanks for about a minute, stacks chips into 1 pile like he's going to shove, then just calls.

River 4 ($152 pot)

villain has about $130 stack. obv betting here for value, but curious as to what sizing you guys think gives us the most EV
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05-24-2016 , 02:55 AM
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Originally Posted by jaymin
hero- about $400 deep. 21 years old. has been at the table for about an hour and a half and has a TAG winning image. several players, including villain, have made comments about hero being akin to matt damon in rounders lol (their words, not mine)

villain- weak-passive MAWG. only notable hand i saw was when he opened with KK ep, x/c a QQ7 flop, then x/r all in on 4 turn and lost to KQ. he then took a 20 min break and has since reloaded for 200 and has been pretty inactive for the orbit or two he's been back.

UTG limps, villain limps in MP, CO and button limp, LB limps

hero is dealt Q6 in BB and checks

Flop is Q96 ($10 pot)
checks to villain who leads for $10
folds to hero with who raises to $28
only villain calls.

turn 3 ($62 pot)
hero bets $45
villain tanks for about a minute, stacks chips into 1 pile like he's going to shove, then just calls.

River 4 ($152 pot)

villain has about $130 stack. obv betting here for value, but curious as to what sizing you guys think gives us the most EV
I'd probably throw out $80. My guess from the way you describe him would be he either has AQ, KQ (playing it hoping he can have some luck with it after he just lost to it), or a flush draw, obviously not going to get much out of him if he's got the Flush draw, if he's a weak, passive player I wouldn't want to scare him off with the all in, I think $70-$80 gets you a call on him having a Qx most of the time.
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05-24-2016 , 03:07 AM
If you make your flop raise a little bigger, you don't have this problem.

Instead of 28/45/130, you could have done 35/55/113.
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05-24-2016 , 03:50 AM
In a 6-way pot you really need to be leading this flop for value. You can't rely on someone else to bet it for you and having this check through would be a disaster. There are two separate OESD possibilities out there as well as a flush draw and a high card. You have a strong but extremely vulnerable hand as over half the deck will potentially improve someone to a better hand than yours. You should be looking to bet/shove the flop rather than check/raising. I'm probably leading for $15.
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05-24-2016 , 08:38 AM
Ive had hands in the past where I had something like Ts9s here and played it like you did and then shoved the river and got called by KQ.....so as played, Im pushing all in here with 2 pair.
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05-24-2016 , 08:49 AM
+1 to leading flop. Such a draw heavy board it is a disaster here if it checks through.

I'm shoving river for value. He wasn't scared to get his money in with an overpair on a paired, three flush board, no reason to think he's folding a strong pair here. Missed draws will fold anyway.
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05-24-2016 , 10:01 AM
Grunch

Shove. We need to get stacks in when he has less than one PSB on the river. We're ahead here almost always vs a tilting villain who has shown zero aggression in the hand.
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05-24-2016 , 11:21 AM
thanks for the feedback guys. i agree with those who said i should lead this flop.

like most of you, i thought shoving the river was the right play. unfortunately villain tank folded so i think he likely got away from qt, qj, or kq, which made me think a smaller sizing may have been better
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05-24-2016 , 01:25 PM
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Originally Posted by CallMeVernon
If you make your flop raise a little bigger, you don't have this problem.

Instead of 28/45/130, you could have done 35/55/113.
So much this.

Planning a hand is incredibly important and it all starts on the pre flop.

In this case we had no decisions of note to really make, but when we hit the flop we should immediately be thinking of getting stacks in and plan accordingly.
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05-24-2016 , 02:36 PM
Would much rather bet the flop the go for a c/r here. I'd lead for $15. As played, your c/r is too small. Should go $35-$40 on this wet board. If you c/r to $35, you can then bet $60 into $80 on the turn and have an easy river shove.

As played, I'm still shoving the river as I think V is calling a shove if he's calling something like $75-$85 here (a shove also looks more like a missed draw). Would have been easier for V to call a shove if you had sized this a bit better on earlier streets.
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