I tank for a long time, expose my hand for reaction to which he slighty grimaces but then stares at table. My first instinct was to fold but I convince myself that this guy is stuck and spewy enough to make a move like this with air or semi bluff, or maybe he has two pair or weaker trips.

Stupid logic, stupidly played hand. I puke call, he tables 66.

The hand may play out the same if you bet bet bet and he just calls till the river, unless you are really really weak or really really good and can bet/fold. At least he didnt table 22, that would make me ill for a couple mins until i took a lap to refocus

Ya that's really what I was unhappy with. The trappy passive play I understand isn't optimal, but is a line that does pay off against these super spewy donks.

But my check raise on river was terrible and was honestly a greedy bet based how upset I was he didn't overbet or spew on me. Now I see he was thinly value betting.

So, this looks terrible.

As played, I call the river just to punish myself, but am never showing my hand unless I win. Honestly have no idea if this is +EV because v has zero idea what hero's hand is since hero never actually did anything and v can be doing this with all kinds of hands that lose to or crush hero.

/threadjack
For ****s and giggles, what does anyone think of this line as an alternative:
- 3b to 100 (call if someone ships)
- c/c the flop
- bomb the turn for 2/3+ pot

I've experimented with this a few times when I remember it (and the board/hand is similar) and have had it get paid off really light since it looks so FOS. I'm not sure if I think there are tons of holes in it though.

OP, if $20 PF was the standard opening then U must assume people are gonna call behind if u flat. Not 3 betting because you're worried your gonna get out played OTF is worse than flatting this hand and playing a multiway trap because you never know where you're at in the hand. You should have 3 bet for value PF, this will likely isolate the Villain and make the hand easier to play. Checking the flop is actually a great play but I'm not sure you understand why. It's not to trap, it's because this is a dry board and people won't likely call you're flop bet without and Ace or 2 pair+. The flop is the proper place to under rep your hand IMO. I think you played the turn the worst of all, this is where u thow out a bet and get called by a lot of weaker hands, and if someone comes over the top you have a chance to get away from the hand, though I doubt it would be proper here. As played, I suppose your trap worked and now you gotta call the river shove.

[QUOTE=Pay4Myschool;31685161] The hand may play out the same if you bet bet bet and he just calls till the river, unless you are really really weak or really really good and can bet/fold. /QUOTE]

It does for sure, I know for a fact he calls ANY 3 bet size with 66, as he called my PFAI 4 bet for 100BB's with 44 last week. And 44 >AA.

Honestly if played how I normally would, which is 95 pre, 2/3 flop, 2/3 turn, shove river, I still get stacked. Is this a leak this deep? I feel like this shouldn't be a /shrug cooler spot.

yeah the check on the flop is good, we just HAVE to bet turn, and unfortunately we didnt.

not a leak in a 3bet pot especially if not raised on flop

See the first quote. I think if you'd 3b pre, checked the flop and then gotten raised on a strong turn bet, you can get away from TPTK. By 3b pre, you narrow his range to mostly just pp and a small smattering of scs. If he comes strong over your turn strength, you can just dump the hand. TPTK doesn't have to be a cooler.

His 3bet calling range is not PP and small sc's. The hand previous to this he called my 80 3bet with J7o and showed once I had gotten it all in with another villain. He was making it a point to show how much he was gambling. With this image, he probably waits till river to pop it, especially with how dry the board is. It's obvious I have an Ace when i 3 bet pre, bet turn strong, so why would he reraise a strong turn bet?

Don't be results oriented about if u would have 3b pre it would've happened anyways. U need to look at hoe u played the hand and could havr possibly avoided the situation. Or how it could've been an easier decision to call/bet for ur stack.

Generally we don't want to turn such strong hands into bluff catchers. Its probably okay to check one of the flop or turn, but checking both seems pretty bad.

As played I'm calling, but not super happy.

Agree with everyone above about the 3bet pre, lead flop, then hand plays much easier so your not a deer caught in headlights in the end. As for the river, choosing that line c/c is actually optimal IMO. Think of it this way, your main reasoning for playing the hand this way was to allow v to bluff almost any board, but then he checks the flop (?) hmmm..that right there is actually suspicious if hes a habitual bluffer, why would he check an A flop, thats a pretty good board to c-bet at. So not only for that being quite suspicious, if he had an absolute air ball, there isn't much hes calling you with on the river raise anyway (You have A blocker and hes always betting his A on that board, lets be serious here). Sure against these types of v's this is always a value raise, but if your going to play it passively like this, im flatting river.

Anyone else agree/criticism on this? I'm never playing this hand this way, wouldn't mind some thoughts on the c/c river though based on info given to us.