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09-02-2014 , 10:08 PM
Hero $225 (SB) Playing TAG and have been playing the fewest hands at the table for about two hours. Have only shown down solid hands

V1 $200 (MP) Mostly loose passive like the rest of the table, will limp call with a wide range of hands

V2 $150 (HJ) One of the more aggressive players at the table, he seems to be slightly on tilt and is seeing about 50% of the flops in the last couple orbits.

V3 200 (CO) Seems capable of reading hands well, is playing loose and in between tight and aggressive, he will play hands aggressively if he is the pfr but is limp-calling too much pre.

Preflop: All three V's limp (I had seen them all limp-call 15$ raises a couple times), one more player limps on the button and Hero raises to 25$ with QQ. All three V's call

Flop (100) K64

The two previous times I had been the pfr I had c-bet

Is this a standard C/F?
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09-02-2014 , 10:14 PM
C/F is fine. Bet/folding $75-80 depending on the specifics of your reads could, arguably, be ok too.
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09-02-2014 , 10:37 PM
I don't see this as a standard C/F. With one over to your pair, and a BDFD I think we should C-bet here. Your C-bet should be super strong looking, too. You raised pre into 4 players and then lead out into 3.

If we check, V2 will likely bet out so we can C/C, maybe even C/R if we think he is super spewy and he will be pretty much committed. If we C-bet and V1 raises, we are done! Try to key in on V1 and V3 when the flop comes, V2 is likely to gii bad if your read is accurate. Check and see where other people think they are, or C-bet and keep the pressure on them. How strong could their K be if they are limp-calling pre here?

We don't want to fold to a single bet with this hand, imo, but we can if things go crazy when we check. Ace high boards are usually more dangerous than K high boards, meaning we usually have more equity with our Qs here. Definitely have tons of showdown value at the moment

Last edited by Logwyn; 09-02-2014 at 10:44 PM.
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09-02-2014 , 11:15 PM
b/f > x/r > c/f > b/c ;

K still hits our range and we have backdoor FD.
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09-02-2014 , 11:17 PM
Against two villains I would usually Cbet. Against three, check fold is almost certainly the best play. What makes it worse is that stacks are shallow and SPR is tiny that anyone could shove a FD or even mid pair over your Cbet. Just check fold and move on. It can't be more than a tiny mistake at worst and cbetting can be a big mistake esp when they can shove wide and you can't really bet call
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09-03-2014 , 03:07 AM
with your image, you should be able to two barrel and get any one of these V's to fold a K.

So I would C-bet 75 here, and then shove all non-club turns.
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09-03-2014 , 04:00 AM
Cbetting isn't awful but betting 75 is. There's simply no reason to. In general I check/decide here, calling or folding depending on stuff, never ever raising lol.
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09-03-2014 , 10:15 AM
Vs who are calling large raises pre isn't folding a K post. I think both a b/f or c/f has merit.
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09-03-2014 , 10:31 AM
Betting here is turning our hand into a bluff.. Do you really think our hand is weak enough that we need to bluff in this spot ??!!

Start by cking flop...
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09-03-2014 , 10:35 AM
Yeah, my first instinct is to c-bet, but I think check/fold might be better. Even a c-bet of $50 effectively commits you. 3 betters is probably too many to c-bet into with a K high board. Given that 3 of them limp called $25 (pretty big for 1/2) doesn't make me think they'll give up easily on the flop. I think it will be pretty easy to end up all-in with no idea where you're at (and then losing to K2o).

I think checking actually maintains some value in the hand, so I'd check/fold.
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09-03-2014 , 10:56 AM
Agree with checking. Usually folding, but it depends on the bet, who its from, and if there are any callers. If it checks to v2, he bets 30, v3 folds, do we call? Thats where these bloated pots get tricky imo.
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