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Old 08-27-2011, 12:37 AM   #31
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Re: 1/2 NLH: Live play beginner question

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The key is don't get impatient. I know live is boring, but you don't have to win every hand, and most players are not making moves. Especially if you have a small BR, and you have AJ here but you suspect he's making a move, you can just fold. When you pick up KK here you will get paid off.
Thats a great advice imo, as i just said, it kinda tilts me to fold JT vs alot of action preflop, just to see an all in for 500bb pot otf with J7 vs T4 on T72 flop...and this kind of tilt makes me do some very horrible plays i would never do online...
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Old 08-27-2011, 12:43 AM   #32
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folds to BTN (200$): raises to 40$, he's semi-solid, not afraid to gamble...seen him 3bet with trouble hands like QJ and so, will get it in vs the maniac with any piece of the flop
SB (Hero) (110$): ??? ATo
BB(passive fish): will call almost any amount to see a flop
Either folds or shoves, obv. Fold>shove. NEVER calls.
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Old 08-27-2011, 12:47 AM   #33
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Either folds or shoves, obv. Fold>shove. NEVER calls.
strongly agree, but since I know BTN's range is wide enough, and my stack is shallow enough that he would call me with almost all his raising range as he's getting lolpotodds, shouldnt shove be profitable? or is it because i wanna minimize variance due to being under rolled?
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Old 08-27-2011, 07:49 AM   #34
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I usually buy in for 100BB and top off regularly if necessary so I am not generally playing 60bb deep but sometimes if I lose an early pot will play at 60BB until my button comes around before topping off or if I am tilty may wait another whole orbit. In those cases my range looks something like this...

You'rer not going to be deep enough to set mine a preflop raiser so I would only play baby pairs if I can limp them in late position with little fear of being raised by the blinds... or limp them from the blinds.

60 BB deep I am looking to 3B for value with QQ+ and squeze with 88 or 99+ Pre.

TPTK or better OTF I am looking to get as much of my stack in as possible against calling stations. So except for baby pairs that I can limp in late position or call a very small raise (well under 10% of eff. stacks) and close the action, my range is something like AKo+ AQs and 99+ from any position.

From C/O and Button I add AQo KJs+ KQo+. Opening for a standard raise of 11-15 depending on table. If we sit to the right of a nitty player we can have almost two buttons per orbit.

If it's a limpy table and we have a limited bankroll we might want to just speculatively limp our connected broadways such as QJ in late position when possible just to see a cheap flop. We are really looking to flop those hands big OESD, combo draw or 2P.

We don't have much of a budget for speculating at 60 bbs deep though so we want to stick mostly to the premiums. Once we win a few pots, increase our stack a bit and develop a solid table image we can consider widening our range and loosening up.

If you drop much below 50 BBs you will really be looking to play exclusively a short stack strat usually shoving pre.

At an aggro table you need to tighten up. Drop the speculative stuff completely unless you are closing the action. Pretty much opening pots with hands you are willing to go to the felt with... see 5 cards with hands that are ahead of Laggy villains 3betting range.
I used to play 60bb in a very laggy game. players calling preflop with speculative hands and not understanding their stacks were too short and also players looking to steal pots and open large(7x bb).

Originally I played a std tag game like I had 100-150bb in front of me. Worked alright but not optimal.

You are mostly looking to fold/call in EP. Fold your bad hands and also your speculative hands if there is alot of raising behind(you wont be getting proper implied). If the table is very laggy and people are opening habitually with low pp, AJ, AT and the such or even raising after limpers with these hands then in EP limp your mid-high pockets, AK, AQ and then 3bet shove.

In LP you are looking to get in cheap with speculative hands(just limp) and raise with your big hands obv. Thing is you can't profitably call a 4x bb raise with drawing hands that often. Hands like AK become more profitable and easier to play as you can size your PF raises to shove flop bc ur not too deep.

basically becomes a boring game of looking for pf shove opps and folding all the fun hands to play bc ur not deep enough.

Also TPGK hands(AK, AQ, KQ, KJ) become pretty good money makers at a loose table. if you have loose players who are getting in with JT, QT, AJ, AT they will pay you off since they are not afraid of losing a large stack. just make sure you identify the lags and the tags since the tags will pick you off with better TPGK hands.
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Old 08-27-2011, 11:12 AM   #35
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I know BTN's range is wide enough, and my stack is shallow enough that he would call me with almost all his raising range as he's getting lolpotodds, shouldnt shove be profitable? or is it because i wanna minimize variance due to being under rolled?
$40 is a huge OR at $1/2, especially from the Button. That's not a steal, that's a "on the off chance that anyone calls me, I want to make some damn money here" open. Best case, you're flipping against a small PP. Most likely is 99-QQ and AK. Not the place to re-steal, and likely not the place to race.

And yes, you're underrolled, so even if we knew we were flipping here, there's no dead $ in the pot and if we lose, we're out 1/6 of our roll. Just fold. I don't hate a shove, but I don't like it either.
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Old 08-29-2011, 12:00 PM   #36
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Re: 1/2 NLH: Live play beginner question

well i agree with most of the replies, shoving is not terrible, but i dont wanna embrace the variance...
Since I said i was tilting, i shoved, the maniac insta called with 54s, BTN folded KJs face up...i lost the race but thats a different story
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