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Old 12-17-2011, 05:08 AM   #1
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1/2 NL Flopped pair and open ender. Heavy multiway flop action

1/2 NL $200 max buy in game. Hero just got a table change to the main game. A huge fish just left and the game has died down since. Mostly regs with one drunk guy who is clearly the mark and one asian guy who just got moved as well and is steamed. Hero has $225 behind.

V1 is a tight reg who plays fairly solid. Has $350 behind
V2 is the drunk guy. Has $80 behind, just bought $100 after going bust.
V3 is asian guy who just rebought for $100. Very tilted.
Hero is young reg at casino who has good repoir with all the regs. Been playing fairly laggy, talking alot. $220 behind.

Action. V2 limps UTG. Folded to hero in the cutoff with QJ. I make it $10 to go.

V3 calls on button. V1 calls in SB. V2 calls UTG.

Pot $40

Flop K10Q

V1 in SB checks, V2 donks out for $22, Hero makes it $100 to isolate, V3 ships in his $100, V1 in SB now check raise 3bets to $200, basically putting me all in. V2 hemmes and haws and folds.

Hero???
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Old 12-17-2011, 05:36 AM   #2
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Re: 1/2 NL Flopped pair and open ender. Heavy multiway flop action

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V1 is a tight reg who plays fairly solid. Has $350 behind

Flop K10Q

V1 in SB checks, V2 donks out for $22, Hero makes it $100 to isolate, V3 ships in his $100, V1 in SB now check raise 3bets to $200, basically putting me all in. V2 hemmes and haws and folds.

Hero???
If you want to "isolate him" you don't need to bet $100. You can raise much smaller and it costs you less if you have to fold.

The problem with the $100 raise is you're giving yourself huge odds if V1 wants to play. Unfortunately if you get a few all ins, you're likely against a combination of flush draws, kings, 2 pair + hands, and possibly made straights. The flush draws kill a lot of your outs, and you may only be chopping.

IMO if you want to iso raise, make it like 50-60 and it's a lot easier to fold to the V1 shove. Vs the other 2 guys I'm not folding, but they're short anyway so what's the difference how much you raise?
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Old 12-17-2011, 08:16 AM   #3
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Re: 1/2 NL Flopped pair and open ender. Heavy multiway flop action

what is the thought process of betting half your stack on flop? You are only folding out worse. You have at best a marginal hand, with a marginal draw.


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Old 12-17-2011, 08:39 AM   #4
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Re: 1/2 NL Flopped pair and open ender. Heavy multiway flop action

Flop raise is waaaay to big. $65 leaves you room to maneuver. Plus, with the FD out there, several of your outs are more than likely dead.

As played you pretty much have to call. Get ready to ride the variance!
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