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06-28-2012, 01:15 AM
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grinder
Join Date: Aug 2010
Location: 2NL rakeback pro
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1/2 NL AA
Villain opens to $15 in MP. I 3bet to $45 right behind him with AhAs. I have $400 he covers. Everyone else folds, he calls. Flop Kd9d5h. He check calls $55. Turn 10h. I bet $115, he c/r all in. Can I fold here?
Villain is a reg at this venue, but this is only my second session with him- he usually plays the half and half game. The first session he was TAG bordering on nitty. He had opened up his game this session as we were short handed prior. This is my second time 3betting this session- the first time I showed down KK.
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06-28-2012, 01:24 AM
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adept
Join Date: Feb 2012
Location: Detroit, MI
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Re: 1/2 NL AA
His line is incredibly strong as is yours
a set obviously dominated his range
AK is all you beat or some random bluff in a huge pot
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06-28-2012, 01:52 AM
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centurion
Join Date: Jun 2012
Location: [ ] valuetown
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Re: 1/2 NL AA
I don't see how you could EVER call that off.
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06-28-2012, 02:19 AM
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centurion
Join Date: Sep 2009
Posts: 168
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It's hard to find a hand you beat. Villain is repping a really strong hand that one pair can't beat. I know you've put over half your stack in, but a fold is probably good. It seems like you're going up against a flush and you're drawing to the nut flush.
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06-28-2012, 05:50 AM
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grinder
Join Date: Mar 2012
Posts: 512
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Re: 1/2 NL AA
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Originally Posted by vigilanteez
It's hard to find a hand you beat. Villain is repping a really strong hand that one pair can't beat. I know you've put over half your stack in, but a fold is probably good. It seems like you're going up against a flush and you're drawing to the nut flush.
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[ ] V ever has made flush
As played it is a puke fold, V is almost never behind AA, it just sucks we got so much in already but we are deep enough to fold. Reads actually make this easy since he is putting you on AA (and thinking you will pay him off) as your only other 3-bet was with KK and he saw that.
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06-28-2012, 06:59 AM
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veteran
Join Date: May 2008
Location: London
Posts: 2,170
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Re: 1/2 NL AA
I agree this is a fold.
BTW on the turn villain's range is mainly QQ,KK, AK and sometimes JJ. We should therefore check behind on the turn - we're way ahead/way behind.
We can probably only get two streets of value max from QQ, JJ, AK and he'll pay off a larger bet on the river than he will on the turn so we should check the turn planning to fire if checked to on the river. This line also allows us to minimise our losses when he leads into us big on the river with top set.
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06-28-2012, 12:25 PM
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Carpal \'Tunnel
Join Date: Jul 2006
Posts: 11,619
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Re: 1/2 NL AA
On the turn, the pot is $200 with us having $300 left. Any bet on the turn is getting stacks committed by the river, which is a scary situation when we're playing 200 BBs deep with what is probably a fairly face up hand (the only other time we've 3bet this session we've had KK, gee, I wonder what our hand range is now). If we're betting the turn, I think we have to fold to the raise (and I silently thank him for letting me off the hook, cuz otherwise the pot would be $430 on the river with us only having $185 left, where I don't think we could fold to a donk bet). So my plan would have been to check the turn behind and payoff a river bet / go for a river value bet/fold if checked to.
GcluelessNLnoobG
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06-28-2012, 12:28 PM
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Carpal \'Tunnel
Join Date: Jul 2006
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Re: 1/2 NL AA
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Originally Posted by Nogyong
we're way ahead/way behind.
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I agree with everything else you posted, but I don't think we're quite way ahead / way behind. I think it's possible villain could still have drawing hands like QJ/QT/JT/AQ/AJ/ATdd here. But even so, I'm much more for checking behind on the turn as well.
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06-28-2012, 12:36 PM
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Pooh-Bah
Join Date: Apr 2008
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Re: 1/2 NL AA
**** him, call. If he has you beat, adjust.
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06-28-2012, 12:53 PM
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veteran
Join Date: May 2003
Location: Trans-continental
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Re: 1/2 NL AA
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Originally Posted by gobbledygeek
I agree with everything else you posted, but I don't think we're quite way ahead / way behind. I think it's possible villain could still have drawing hands like QJ/QT/JT/AQ/AJ/ATdd here.
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I don't see how V could have called nitty hero's 3bet prefop with AdJd, QdTd, AdTd, etc., or why V would ever expect to induce a fold with the turn CR.
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06-28-2012, 01:02 PM
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old hand
Join Date: Mar 2012
Posts: 1,353
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Re: 1/2 NL AA
this could easily be a king which picked up a flushdraw, AK, KQ (str8 draw too), your getting over 2 to 1. i think its a call.
what would you do in villains shoes if you had AK, KQ on the turn? calling is not really an option, folding is tough too...
btw, dont tell me he folds KQs everytime to a 3bet.
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06-28-2012, 01:28 PM
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Carpal \'Tunnel
Join Date: Jul 2006
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Re: 1/2 NL AA
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Originally Posted by McMelchior
I don't see how V could have called nitty hero's 3bet prefop with AdJd, QdTd, AdTd, etc., or why V would ever expect to induce a fold with the turn CR.
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If villains at your table fold suited broadway hands to a 3bet preflop, then we play at different tables.
I'm not expecting villain to check/raise these hands to induce a fold on the turn (if I'm betting the turn, I'm folding to a raise). I'm just saying these hands are in his range and make perfect sense given preflop/flop action, and thus on the turn we're not exactly in a wa/wb situation (although I would still check behind).
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06-28-2012, 03:27 PM
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veteran
Join Date: Oct 2011
Location: Los Angeles
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Turn I call and you can/ should fold to check raise.
ETA:
On the turn when the flush is completed I would have checked. I get a free card to the nut flush while controlling the pot. Op asked if its a foldable hand after the check raise and of course it is. Op is not getting proper odds to a completed flush or set. As the hand was played I would fold AA.
Last edited by serio562; 06-28-2012 at 03:53 PM.
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06-28-2012, 03:45 PM
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old hand
Join Date: Mar 2012
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Re: 1/2 NL AA
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Originally Posted by serio562
Turn I call and you can/ should fold to check raise.
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06-28-2012, 05:33 PM
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grinder
Join Date: Aug 2010
Location: 2NL rakeback pro
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Re: 1/2 NL AA
The turn does not complete the flush- flop is diamond/diamond/heart turn is heart
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