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Old 02-06-2012, 10:38 PM   #1
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1/2 NL 500BB Deep With AA Out of Position

This is a hand from over the weekend at the Borgata in a deep 1/2 NL game. We're UTG with about $1800, so we're 900BB deep. UTG+1 is a very good player, presumably a 2p2er and probably too good of a player to classify into TAG, LAG, etc other than to say he's playing very well and more on the tight side overall. He's got $1000 in front of him, and I'd like to think I'm a little better of a player, definitely a little more experienced, but out of position I'm definitely -EV in this game against him and only still sitting because he's announced that he's leaving soon and isn't going crazy 3betting me or anything.

So without further ado...

Preflop: I am UTG with AA and raise to $15. UTG+1 calls and one of the blinds comes along.

Flop ($45): 8c6x2c

It checks to me and I bet $40. UTG+1 makes it $120 and the blind folds. UTG+1 now has approximately $880 behind and we cover. We do have the Ac.

Hero?
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Old 02-06-2012, 10:43 PM   #2
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EDIT: nvm I thought he ch/r'd you

I'd call and see what the turn is.
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Old 02-06-2012, 10:45 PM   #3
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Re: 1/2 NL 500BB Deep With AA Out of Position

Blind stack and reads?
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Old 02-06-2012, 10:51 PM   #4
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Blind stack and reads?
That's all up there in the original post. 1/2 blinds. Villain starts with about 1K and I cover. He's good, too good to put specifically into a TAG or LAG category, but more on the tight side. He knows the implications of deeper stacks and we have been quietly talking poker a bit, softly enough that others can't really hear, but discussing some different tournament situations from the Borgata Winter Open, which has just wrapped up. I know he's good enough to be creative.

EDIT: It strikes me you may be asking about the player in the blinds, which I didn't include because he folded on the flop, but is relevant as he was still behind to act when UTG+1 raised the flop. He was older and very tight, would fit into the old rock/nit category. He started the hand with about $300 and had only been sitting for about 60 minutes, if I remember right.

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Old 02-06-2012, 11:01 PM   #5
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Re: 1/2 NL 500BB Deep With AA Out of Position

call and see turn
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Old 02-06-2012, 11:06 PM   #6
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i fold, i just want to avoid playing a big pot with this opponent especially when OOP with a very marginal hand.
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Old 02-06-2012, 11:07 PM   #7
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Re: 1/2 NL 500BB Deep With AA Out of Position

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EDIT: nvm I thought he ch/r'd you

I'd call and see what the turn is.
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Easy enough, lets continue...

This is a hand from over the weekend at the Borgata in a deep 1/2 NL game. We're UTG with about $1800, so we're 900BB deep. UTG+1 is a very good player, presumably a 2p2er and probably too good of a player to classify into TAG, LAG, etc other than to say he's playing very well and more on the tight side overall. He's got $1000 in front of him, and I'd like to think I'm a little better of a player, definitely a little more experienced, but out of position I'm definitely -EV in this game against him and only still sitting because he's announced that he's leaving soon and isn't going crazy 3betting me or anything.

So without further ado...

Preflop: I am UTG with AA and raise to $15. UTG+1 calls and one of the blinds comes along.

Flop ($45): 862

It checks to me and I bet $40. UTG+1 makes it $120 and the blind folds. We call. UTG+1 now has approximately $880 behind and we cover. We do have the A.

Turn ($285): 4

This obviously isn't a great card for us. Villains range includes lots of clubs and 57 just got there, but we're also still ahead of and potentially getting value from TT-KK, and we now have the nut flush draw.

Hero checks (any thoughts on this, seems pretty standard to me?), UTG+1 bets $130, Hero?
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Old 02-06-2012, 11:09 PM   #8
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i fold, i just want to avoid playing a big pot with this opponent especially when OOP with a very marginal hand.
This is a fair point, although if this is the case we shouldn't be sitting at the table as we're going to get totally run over. Like I said in the OP, normally I'd get up but the villain is leaving soon and we're waiting it out.
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Well you have a 14% shot to hit a flush and only need 24% equity and if he has something like JJ with the Jc he is probably barreling again. Also I say 14% because I am killing to cards assuming he has a made flush.

Call and bet out any club river for like 300 and ch/f anything else.

And yes folding to the initial raise actually isn't a terrible play if villain isn't trying to take advantage of you.
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Old 02-06-2012, 11:13 PM   #10
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call flop and turn and fold to aggression on river imo
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Old 02-06-2012, 11:13 PM   #11
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Well you have a 14% shot to hit a flush and only need 24% equity and if he has something like JJ with the Jc he is probably barreling again.

Call and bet out any club river for like 300 and ch/f anything else.

And yes folding to the initial raise actually isn't a terrible play if villain isn't trying to take advantage of you.
I don't think he's specifically trying to take advantage of me, like he's not showing up with air on that raise, but he is raising any draw there I think.

I'll wait for another reply or two before I post the next step, but my thinking was basically in line with yours, until the river hit.
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Old 02-06-2012, 11:16 PM   #12
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This is a fair point, although if this is the case we shouldn't be sitting at the table as we're going to get totally run over. Like I said in the OP, normally I'd get up but the villain is leaving soon and we're waiting it out.
i pretty well always play deep stacked at 1/2 (i buyin for 250bb). I really dont think many people exploit the fact that I bet/fold overpairs on this board with these stacks against agro opponents (ofc I have had to adjust vs certain opponents). In my experience flop raises are really rare at 1/2 so I think we will be in alot of tough spots when we flat flop OOP.

That being said, I dont hate flatting the flop, I just think this will put us in difficult spots on future streets.
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Old 02-06-2012, 11:19 PM   #13
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I don't think he's specifically trying to take advantage of me, like he's not showing up with air on that raise, but he is raising any draw there I think.

I'll wait for another reply or two before I post the next step, but my thinking was basically in line with yours, until the river hit.
The big thing is that the river is a ch/fold if you miss your club. I mean MAYBE he turns his hand into a bluff with TT here but **** it, let him have it. It is the power of position.
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Old 02-06-2012, 11:20 PM   #14
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i pretty well always play deep stacked at 1/2 (i buyin for 250bb). I really dont think many people exploit the fact that I bet/fold overpairs on this board with these stacks against agro opponents (ofc I have had to adjust vs certain opponents). In my experience flop raises are really rare at 1/2 so I think we will be in alot of tough spots when we flat flop OOP.

That being said, I dont hate flatting the flop, I just think this will put us in difficult spots on future streets.
I agree here, although this opponent definitely knows I'm capable of bet/folding an overpair in this spot. I know he knows that, he knows I know that he knows that, etc, etc...

I don't think he's just going to go crazy raising me on the flop, as he also knows I'm very capable, even likely, of leading out with a set here, but he's going to raise me with all of his draws for sure.

He's aggressive enough that a flop raise from him isn't just a made hand.
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Old 02-06-2012, 11:21 PM   #15
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The big thing is that the river is a ch/fold if you miss your club. I mean MAYBE he turns his hand into a bluff with TT here but **** it, let him have it. It is the power of position.
What if the river is an A? Still check/fold?
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