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03-27-2017 , 12:23 AM
Hero Stack: ~$650
V Stack: ~$420

V limps constantly. V rarely shows aggression and often folds to flop bets. We have been at the same table for about 5 hours. V likes to see a lot of flops for cheap. When he raises, it is usually for $12. I have also seen him limp with AQ from early position, call a raise, then check raise all-in when the flop was Q45.

Hero Opens UTG + 1 with KT for $7.
BTN calls.
V in the BB calls.

Flop: Q97 (Pot: $21)

V in BB checks.

Hero Bets $15.
BTN folds.
V calls.

Turn: 3 (Pot: $51)

V checks.
Hero bets $30.
V raises to $92
Hero calls.

River: 4 (Pot: $235)

V jams for $300.

Hero?

So, the ultimate question is this: Would he be doing this with anything other than the nut flush? What are other people's experiences with players like this? Do they play their weaker flushes like this? Would they be hyper aggressive with something like 65?
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03-27-2017 , 01:52 AM
I am not sure KTs is a good idea to open UTG+1 at a full ring table.
AP: call. He could be doing this with other flushes than the nuts.

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03-27-2017 , 03:32 AM
Some players like this distinguish flushes and some think any flush here is the nuts. Call and hope for the best.
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03-27-2017 , 03:32 AM
Fold limp or raise pre are all OK. If you raise make it $12 or more.
AP call
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03-27-2017 , 03:45 AM
Sounds like a nut peddler. I think if you're super good you could fold here vs this type of player. Not a lot of JhXh combos that make sense. The Qh is on the board and you have the Kh. Only a few suited connector flush combos. I'd be surprised if this wasn't the nuts.
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03-27-2017 , 04:17 AM
Seem something very similar last weekend
Player got the 2nd nuts KQhh but he also got the 3rd nut blocker and there was a Jh on board, he called off a shove and the other guy had the nuts.
People were saying it was so unlucky and that he had too call, bad beat and all the normal stuff but when you break it down the guy shoving had the nut there near 100% of the time as he is never shoving with worst and that is what i feel here.

You have the 2nd nuts but the 3rd nuts is Jack high flush now you have to ask yourself this would he shove here with that?
If you think he over values hands then maybe you could talk yourself into it but am going to feel like he shows up with Axs here a lot of the time
That and your read of limps consistanly and never shows aggression.

If he bet 1/2 psb i could see calling it off very easy but with an overshove I would be more inclined to sigh fold.

As other have mentioned just sounds like a nut peddler
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03-27-2017 , 04:45 AM
Given the pot odds, if he has just 4 non nut flushes in his range you can call. I would guess that since he limps a lot and was in the BB means he can have a lot of suited hands here.
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03-27-2017 , 05:56 AM
Tough spot and very villain dependent. Although it really sucks, this is definitely the nuts a solid 50% of the time (my approx), we have 2 broadway blockers and the Jh is on the board, does he EVER do this with bluffs (extremely unlikely) or hands like 78hh? or 56hh? If you think he does then make the call, otherwise cry fold

Also, if you generally consider him a weak player then I would be more likely to call since he could be massively overvaluing a lower flush, and weaker players almost never over-pot jam river with anything but the stones
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03-27-2017 , 06:32 AM
You played with him for 5 hours. His perception of you is a huge factor. Does he see you as loose and aggressive? You opened utg+1 with K10...I'm guessing you were pretty active upto that point. If he is idle while you are scooping pots, then he will not be giving you credit for your monster.

He seems to really like tptk ..Pay the man

Generally if you play suited kings, then you need a plan for a 2nd flush before you see a flop.
Only fold here +450 bb or more.

People of earth: turning seconds nuts instantly means 2 things: do I want a bloated pot? Do I want a showdown?

Answer this stuff, and more, before betting your monsters
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03-27-2017 , 08:43 AM
Never folding
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03-27-2017 , 09:57 AM
His perception of me is surely that I'm aggressive. KTs isn't that bad. I raised it 7 so that keeps the pot small. Depending on texture, I keep it small or build the pot. I can safely cbet this flop, folding to a big raise most likely. Obviously, once the flush comes in, I want to build the pot since I only lose to AhXh.

My thought was that he might have check raised me on the turn with only a Ah and it didn't get there on the river. But, he has 200+ BB stack so maybe huge bluffs like this are not likely. I also felt that perhaps he is massively over playing a weak flush.

In hindsight, I should have thought more about the type of player he is. Like others have said, he is a nut peddler. He just waits for a monster and tries to get it all in. This is the first time in 5 hours I saw him be this aggressive. My thought process was that I am at the top of my range here. But, maybe balancing doesn't matter much against these players.

Hero called without much thought and V shows Ah9h.

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03-27-2017 , 04:28 PM
If this is an OMC, this is absolutely a fold. If this is an aggro Villian, this is a call all day. As played I would have a tough decision readless. Except one factor. Villian is playing a 200BB stack and shoving what 150BB's on the turn? Anything over 100BB's you have to ask yourself is this a big bluff here? Is he really trying to overplay a baby flush? From most 1/2 NL live players. I would say, probably not.
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03-27-2017 , 05:43 PM
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Originally Posted by Havok
If this is an OMC, this is absolutely a fold. If this is an aggro Villian, this is a call all day. As played I would have a tough decision readless. Except one factor. Villian is playing a 200BB stack and shoving what 150BB's on the turn? Anything over 100BB's you have to ask yourself is this a big bluff here? Is he really trying to overplay a baby flush? From most 1/2 NL live players. I would say, probably not.
Pretty much this.
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03-27-2017 , 07:58 PM
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Originally Posted by tlytle123
His perception of me is surely that I'm aggressive. KTs isn't that bad. I raised it 7 so that keeps the pot small. Depending on texture, I keep it small or build the pot. I can safely cbet this flop, folding to a big raise most likely. Obviously, once the flush comes in, I want to build the pot since I only lose to AhXh.

My thought was that he might have check raised me on the turn with only a Ah and it didn't get there on the river. But, he has 200+ BB stack so maybe huge bluffs like this are not likely. I also felt that perhaps he is massively over playing a weak flush.

In hindsight, I should have thought more about the type of player he is. Like others have said, he is a nut peddler. He just waits for a monster and tries to get it all in. This is the first time in 5 hours I saw him be this aggressive. My thought process was that I am at the top of my range here. But, maybe balancing doesn't matter much against these players.

Hero called without much thought and V shows Ah9h.

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No offense but balancing didn't matter at all against you.
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