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07-08-2017 , 09:41 PM
1/2, 9 handed

First 10 hands on the table so not much information. Most players involved are between 30s-40s and seem to be the 20/15 type.

Hero (MP) is a T-not-so-A-G, sits with 180 and covered by almost every other players by far.
BB sits with 1300,
UTG sits with 600,
UTG+2 sits with 85

UTG limps, UTG+1, UTG+2, Hero (A6) and 3 other players limp/check.

Flop (£14, 7 players)
2 9 7

BB bets £13. UTG, UTG+2, Hero, MP+1 call.

Turn (£79, 5 players)
3

Check, check, £30. All but MP+1 call.

River (£199, 4 players)
T

BB bets £60, UTG calls, UTG+2 calls with £40 (all-in).
Hero shoves (£75 on top), BB folds, UTG calls.

I decided to take a very passive line to lure players in. The check of BB and UTG on turn made me believe that their range were likely to be capped at TP, and likely to be drawing hands. If I was wrong, and in case one of them check-raised I can only possibly act behind BB thus having a great chance in getting the correct odds to continue. Raising doesn't seem to do much good at any point.

What do you think?

Last edited by TheRiverMagic; 07-08-2017 at 09:55 PM.
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07-08-2017 , 09:51 PM
Nh
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07-08-2017 , 10:04 PM
As I don't think the line check itself would attract too much interest and food for thoughts...

Spoilers here:

Spoiler:
BB claims he had a small flush
UTG shows K7s
UTG+2 shows 63o (!?)


My other question would be, what would you have done if you were UTG?

I would have folded his hand pre-flop without second thought so this would not have burnt me. But what if I get the hand in say, BTN, SB or BB? The direct odds are so attractive that I believe most, if not all players would decide to play it. Will you be able to find a fold at any point, and why?

Last edited by TheRiverMagic; 07-08-2017 at 10:10 PM.
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07-08-2017 , 10:13 PM
Yeah, I wouldn't have played it preflop OOP. In position I play (probably CO or later) or the small blind in a limped pot. I think he should've been able to throw his hand away on the river because what are you raising w/ besides the nuts? Would I have been able to fold? Probably not since I paid off a guy last time I played 3 streets when we both flopped a flush. 9 high for me, Q high for him when it was incredibly obvious he had it.
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07-09-2017 , 01:20 AM
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Originally Posted by haha_TP
Yeah, I wouldn't have played it preflop OOP.
You're not limping suited aces after three limps? Seems too tight to me.
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07-09-2017 , 01:22 AM
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Originally Posted by TheRiverMagic
Spoilers here:

Spoiler:
BB claims he had a small flush
UTG shows K7s
UTG+2 shows 63o (!?)
FWIW, you already spoiled the hand by indicating all the actions of every player on all streets.

I think you played the hand just fine. There's no reason to always play flush draws super aggro. Sometimes you just want to keep everyone in so that you get the most money when you get there instead of charging yourself more money to draw against fewer people.
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07-09-2017 , 04:20 AM
Nh. raising or betting before the river is just major spew.
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07-09-2017 , 05:54 AM
Do you know what a "20/15" type is? If so, explain how this 1 in a literally millions pre-flop action occurred.

If this is your way of saying you think the players are pretty good, they aren't. Your strategy worked because they allowed it to work. At a tougher table, you wouldn't have been able to get pot odds to call each street.

That said, you should play with these players every chance you get. You can make a lot of money.
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07-09-2017 , 06:55 AM
Thank you everyone for confirming the thoughts that there aren't really much that I can do and Vs did me a great favour in pushing all the monies in.

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Originally Posted by ImAllInNow
FWIW, you already spoiled the hand by indicating all the actions of every player on all streets.
That's also why I decided to post hand results immediately and fired the next question, which is playability of Kxs hands.

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Originally Posted by venice10
Do you know what a "20/15" type is? If so, explain how this 1 in a literally millions pre-flop action occurred.

If this is your way of saying you think the players are pretty good, they aren't. Your strategy worked because they allowed it to work. At a tougher table, you wouldn't have been able to get pot odds to call each street.
I honestly do not have an explanation for this. This and the hand before were literally the only hands that had more than 3 players involved during my 2h there.

One thing I do realise about players in rooms I play is that they tend to be a lot less aggressive once there are 3 or more limpers/callers. Many would decide to follow the party with even hands like 99/TT in this situation.

I've checked the range from Equilab and I believe 20% VPIP seems more or less spot on but perhaps the raise % was underestimated.

[Edit: I actually meant a 20% opening range]
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