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Originally Posted by ronrabbit
I don't know here, after it goes bet, call, call, flop and then donk, shove, into the aggressor both pre and flop is this ever worse than a 9? Yeah vs one villan this is a trivial stack off situation, but vs two villans who at various times during this hand have taken aggressive actions..... I know we have results and I'm a big advocate of not posting results until much later because it really clouds judgement in general and maybe I'm being blinded by that because it's rare I'm on the fold side of the argument but I just can't see V2 shoving worse than 9x here.... I mean it would just be totally terrible to shove worse than 9x, I play with some pretty terrible players on a regular basis and I wouldn't expect any of them to shove aa there......
I see people show up with hands like TT and QQ in these spots. Sometimes even worse like T8. Villains are savvy now that paired boards are hard to hit, so they tend to bluff and semibluff more in these spots. I mean what is V1 doing calling then leading with 77? He puts $160 into this hand with crap, and evidently has to think for a minute about folding it, then shows 77 as if he has a real hand here. V2 could easily have something like AJ/KJ/QJ/TJ especially if he's aware V1's donk bet is weak, and all pocket pairs are possible but particularly QQ and TT.
Yeah he's repping a 9, but how many 9s are in this guy's range compared to Js? Does he call $30 bets preflop with hands like 96? He called with J9 (suited?) so 98s and maybe 97s are probably in his range, and A9s is likely as well, but that could be it. That's 7 combos. If he calls with the offsuit versions it's significantly more, but there are still more Js in his range. We need to be good about 30%. It's hard to quantify if we are. I suspect yes, but a thorough range analysis with Equilab would be needed to have a better answer.