V1 ($500): 40s asian guy, big gambler and plays a lot of blackjack and other casino games. Played a lot of poker but known for being quite a bit loose and spewy if he catches any piece of the board. Just sat down an hour ago.

V2 ($300): Drunk 40ish WG, who has been so spewy but gotten lucky a bunch and ran his stack up and down a bunch. Played a hand with him where I PFR to 12 pre IP, he and another loose guy call, flop (33) Q23dd, he donks 15, I raise to 50, other villain all in for 83, he tank calls, Hero calls (could not repop), turn 2 he goes all in for 100 more, I call, he shows A2 to win the hand. Playing with hero for 4-5 hours.

Hero ($600): 30ish WG, prior to the very previous hand, had a very good TAG image, roughly break even thus far due to the hand with V2 where he semi-sucked out on me. But in the very previous hand in a limped pot, I sensed weakness on a K84 flop, UTG bet 10, one caller, I made it 45 OTB, both call. Turn is 4, checks to me, I make it 85. UTG calls and is almost all in, other guy folds. River is a 2, it goes check/check and he shows K5 for the winner. The whole table is just shocked and stunned that I couldn't beat K5 and everyone is commenting and just generally bewildered at my play (in retrospect, it probably was a bad play, but I had given UTG credit for being a tight player [which I later found to be false] that would laydown the TPWK hand I thought he had).

OTTH...

UTG straddle on, 3 callers, I make it $30 in CO w/ KK. Only V1 and V2 call. Note there is a whole bunch of table talk right now about how I am "steam-raising" and folks clearly think I'm on tilt.

Flop ($90) J99r. Checks to me, I make it $45. V1 calls, V2 calls.

Turn ($225)J99 3. V1 leads for $85, V2 shoves all in (about $225 total), Hero??

Fold. Pre and flop were good.

I guess you could just go with live reads and stack off here if you think they are both overplaying Jx, but this would be an exception rather than the norm kind of hand.

Your image is tilty and V1 and V2 both are gamblers / spewy. Plus you've got tilt image. V1 probably not donking with a 9. Maybe a J or pocket pair. V2 might have a 9 but he's spewy and 75bb deep and you're getting 2:1 so roll the dice. Ship it and pray for a light call from V1 IMO

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No-brainer fold once there's a bet and shove in front of you.

I wouldn't fold this one. Size flop smaller or check

Also I wouldn't re-ship I would just call with KK specifically.

Kind of a gross spot. Obviously snapping it off against either of them individually, but against both of them this spot pretty well sucks. This is one of those times that in-game I'd wish there would have been a flush draw.

So you're left hoping that they both have Jx, or one has Jx and the other has Q10/10 8 or some random PP. I guess you have some insurance of sorts if you're at least ahead of V1, as he has the deeper stack. Both feel like they could have a 9 here, but I'm having a hard time figuring out which one is more likely to have 9x due to both of their lines representing so much strength. I guess V1 due to having a much deeper stack and donk leading into 2 Vs after how the flop played?

I truly am torn here because in a vacuum this is a snap-fold, but due to all three of your images they both could be much wider than they otherwise should be. I guess I'm sigh folding here, but I'm probably hating life no matter what I do.

Appreciate the feedback. I've generally had no issue lately folding overpairs recently, including aces and kings, to pressure. Usually it has been the right decision, but this situation seemed different to me for all the factors mentioned in the original post.

I think generally when people see you go crazy, they adjust by waiting for hands and not trying to bluff you off the best hand or overplay their hand in big pots. It doesn't make sense to me. So if anything probably more a fold than normal as opposed to less.

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In spots like this, I think villain is really weighted toward value so I wouldn't call with more of my range than I had to. I would get to the turn here with about 31 combos. Better combos of hands I would have here are AA (6) and JJ(3) 99 I would probably check flop.

I guess you could argue KK isn't really that different than AA in this spot though. AA is kinda worse since it blocks AJ which is one of the most likely hands someone could be overplaying.

So maybe folding would be a little exploitable but I just don't think V2 is bluffing here. The only question is if he thinks AJ is a value raise.

Ultimately this is a fold for me.

If we give him a range of AJ, KJ and a good amount of 9's we only have 30 percent equity. The problem is, while he will always play his 9's as a raise, he won't always raise with his AJ/KJ hands.

I would say: Call just because you got a bluff board out there and your image is bad. You got a big hand with a bad image. Both things are good for you. If one of the villain got a 9 .., so be it.. there's nothing you can do. This will be my interpretation of this situation. I may be wrong and that wouldn't be the first time but I call this one.

It happen with me the other day: I got KK in position. A new guys just sits down and buys minimum for $500 in MP and, on his first hand raises to $50, fold, fold, fold and I make it $250 so that I can call a shove just in case .., LOL. Villain calls $250 and the flop comes J, 6, 3 rainbow. He checks, I shove and he calls with ..., wtf? .. guess what? ..., J6 sooooted .. haha ..,man,..., you know, .., I lose. .. not a big deal. Nothing you can do..., When you play with fish .., man .., you play with octopuses. If he would had any Jack, any 6, any pair or AK/AQ he would have played just the same and I would have won. You got to think the same .. man .., don't let bother you.

I agree with Outdonked. What is going on?

As for the results, yeah obviously that happens sometimes, but IMO they just confirm this as a call since V1 was pretty weak. You'll see pocket pairs a lot in this spot as well as Js and 9s.

I don't know here, after it goes bet, call, call, flop and then donk, shove, into the aggressor both pre and flop is this ever worse than a 9? Yeah vs one villan this is a trivial stack off situation, but vs two villans who at various times during this hand have taken aggressive actions..... I know we have results and I'm a big advocate of not posting results until much later because it really clouds judgement in general and maybe I'm being blinded by that because it's rare I'm on the fold side of the argument but I just can't see V2 shoving worse than 9x here.... I mean it would just be totally terrible to shove worse than 9x, I play with some pretty terrible players on a regular basis and I wouldn't expect any of them to shove aa there......

I see people show up with hands like TT and QQ in these spots. Sometimes even worse like T8. Villains are savvy now that paired boards are hard to hit, so they tend to bluff and semibluff more in these spots. I mean what is V1 doing calling then leading with 77? He puts $160 into this hand with crap, and evidently has to think for a minute about folding it, then shows 77 as if he has a real hand here. V2 could easily have something like AJ/KJ/QJ/TJ especially if he's aware V1's donk bet is weak, and all pocket pairs are possible but particularly QQ and TT.

Yeah he's repping a 9, but how many 9s are in this guy's range compared to Js? Does he call $30 bets preflop with hands like 96? He called with J9 (suited?) so 98s and maybe 97s are probably in his range, and A9s is likely as well, but that could be it. That's 7 combos. If he calls with the offsuit versions it's significantly more, but there are still more Js in his range. We need to be good about 30%. It's hard to quantify if we are. I suspect yes, but a thorough range analysis with Equilab would be needed to have a better answer.