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1/2 KK flopped set, c-bet or check? 1/2 KK flopped set, c-bet or check?

04-24-2017 , 10:23 PM
Hi all, this prob seems like a standard hand but I'm a newer player and I was looking for insight.

Hero $245, white guy in late 20's sat down recently about 45 mins ago, only showdown is a winning hand with JJ. Image is either NIT or TAG. This is the only hand I have entered the pot with besides just getting a free flop in the bb.

Villain 1 OMC ~$150 playing conservatively and aggressive when he has it. Built his stack up from about $50 since I've been at the table.

Villain 2 MAWF ~ $75 plays decent hands although seems to be a bit more loose passive than solid.

Villain 3 middle aged Asian dude. Spewy? Won a pot against him with pocket jacks vs his flopped middle pair earlier, he then proceeded to lose a rather loose all in call. He rebought short for $100. He is not afraid to shove or bet on thin value from what it seems.

OTTH

Hero $245 utg with KK raises to $10.

Villain 1 OMC ~$150 calls from mp, Villain 2 MAWF ~$75 calls from cutoff,
Villain 3 Asian dude $100 calls from BB.

Pot $40 flop AK7

Villain 3 checks to hero, HERO???

I'm thinking a Cbet would be good here because in the off chance someone caught their ace with a short stack they may jam it in here... a check seems fine too. Flat call with AK is also a typical OMC move but yah, I'm still unsure how to best get value here. Thanks for the help.

Last edited by Breadfish666; 04-24-2017 at 10:29 PM.
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04-25-2017 , 02:25 AM
With these stack sizes you can get it in on two streets therefore I wouldn't mind checking here given that you have two more people left to act behind and they can still open the action. I would normally CB if stacks were deeper and if I were last to act too.
You have a huge range advantage on these flops and you would bet a lot of top pairs and two pair hands to cover for the times you bet your gutshots or complete air even. So I don't mind checking for deception but I do prefer to be heads up when I do that. 4 ways here you could give some QJ, QT, JT type hands an opportunity to draw out on you, but again, given stack sizes it cannot be that bad.

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04-25-2017 , 02:37 AM
Cbet. No one is folding an ace to a continuation bet here.
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04-25-2017 , 02:48 AM
I think with top set I would probably check, but with a set of KK I'd probably just come out and bet 40% pot or so three streets to try and best get it in.


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04-25-2017 , 03:53 AM
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Originally Posted by YzRse
With these stack sizes you can get it in on two streets therefore I wouldn't mind checking here given that you have two more people left to act behind and they can still open the action. I would normally CB if stacks were deeper and if I were last to act too.
You have a huge range advantage on these flops and you would bet a lot of top pairs and two pair hands to cover for the times you bet your gutshots or complete air even. So I don't mind checking for deception but I do prefer to be heads up when I do that. 4 ways here you could give some QJ, QT, JT type hands an opportunity to draw out on you, but again, given stack sizes it cannot be that bad.
You can't easily get it in in two streets vs the OMC. That wouldn't be a huge problem if there was a payoff for checking, but I'm not sure what we want people to hit here. If someone has an underpair and turns a set that would be ideal but that seems like a huge longshot. It seems like limited upsides and limited downsides either way so it's not like checking is horrible, but I'd rather not get cute when I have a good hand and there are obvious hands that can call my bet.
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04-25-2017 , 01:47 PM
So much that can pay you. Bet now please before you or someone else gets cold feet.
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04-25-2017 , 01:56 PM
Easy flop bet.
If you flop a set on a board with an Ace it's like printing money.

There are few things in poker that I like more.

Stacks are short, board is dry. We need to get in another $90 over 3 streets.

Lets do $20/$30/$40.
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04-25-2017 , 02:18 PM
Thanks for the help guys! I ended up going with a cbet for $25. All players folded so we take the $40

I'm led to believe that these players just got priced out of drawing, or they were just too weak-tight to continue against my image. I think a bet closer to $20 might have gotten called.

I also showed my hand for some metagaming. Perhaps allowing me to raise lighter down the line to get more steals from the weak-tight's and get action from loose-passives.

After showing the hand I get table coaching from omc and another more loose passive player telling me I should check that flop. I just laughed and smiled thinking of course you want a check because you're prob drawing there.

I appreciate all the feedback.
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04-25-2017 , 02:22 PM
I would c-bet here, 20-30. You're getting called by any ace. You're getting called by 77 or weird two pair. You may get called by QJ, QT or JT for the gut shot. Pretty much everything else is folding, but everything that is folding only has two outs to improve to a hand that can call a bet.

Would feel differently if board was K-high rather than A-high. I'd check top set on a dry board.
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04-26-2017 , 03:54 AM
There really is no reason to check top set or any set for that matter on even dry boards, unless you have a maniac who's going to auto-stab if shown weakness. If people are folding too much and aren't continuing much vs your c-bet, then you add more bluffs.

You're not building a pot either. And any person with half a brain will realize you have the nuts when you check KK on K62r and start going nuts OTT/OTR. What hands can you ever be bluff-raising the turn/river with on a dry board after checking flop? Pretty much none.
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