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1/2 jj in the bb with a ss 1/2 jj in the bb with a ss

04-27-2016 , 04:40 PM
I just got to the table and am in my first orbit. The table seems loose and aggro mostly due to a crazy russian slag who is seated to my immediate left, whom I have never seen before. I have seen the other two villains around but haven't played with them before, both seem loose and not too aggro.


Crazy Russian limps utg
Chef Louis limps mp
Biker Dude limps in sb
I make it 20$ to go w/jj (I have 125$ at the start of the hand, the shortest of the 4 stacks)

They all call my raise

Flop: 8c4c8x

I bet 50$ (?) into the 80$ pot

Crazy Russian and Chef Louis fold, Biker Dude re-raises me all in

the pot is 230-ish and I have about 50$ or so behind

Hero:?
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04-27-2016 , 04:53 PM
Call lol. I would have just shoved in the first place. You only had $105 left after all. Lots of worse hands will and can call, especially since they will often put you on AK.
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04-27-2016 , 04:57 PM
seems like obv call
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04-27-2016 , 05:47 PM
With the stack sizes and the amount you've already committed in the pot you have to call off. There is no reason you should fold now.
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04-27-2016 , 05:50 PM
Serious? The answer is call. Not sure if this is a troll... 60bb to start the hand and we see all undercards on a paired flop...
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04-27-2016 , 06:09 PM
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Originally Posted by DTLB
Call lol. I would have just shoved in the first place. You only had $105 left after all. Lots of worse hands will and can call, especially since they will often put you on AK.
+1
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04-27-2016 , 07:48 PM
Thanks for the responses everybody, and yeah, I guess the call is pretty trivial. What do you guys think of the 50$ flop bet? I think I prefer DTLB's idea of jamming (ty sir) or betting smaller, like 35$ or so to induce the russian to do his laggy thing...

A few concerns:
1. Doesn't the 8s smack a limp calling range (I'm assuming that the pot would have been raised if any of the vilains had an Ax or two bw's or any pair or maybe even any sc's).

2. I don't think Biker Dude is the bluffing/semi-bluffing type. I feel like he would call with 76cc and any other drawing hand.


I did call and Biker Dude showed 98o. It felt like a crying call, but I called because of the spr and in spite my belief that he had an 8.
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04-28-2016 , 01:01 AM
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Originally Posted by Thrust Toughington
A few concerns:

1. Doesn't the 8s smack a limp calling range

Every card on the flop smacks a Limpers calling range. On the flop I would have gone all in and taken away the option from Villain's.
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04-28-2016 , 01:08 AM
None of it really matters...you dont have the stack to fold here. You call and hope you fade his draw or hope he has a small pair. If he has an 8...time to reload.
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04-28-2016 , 08:56 PM
Easy call
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04-29-2016 , 07:24 PM
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Originally Posted by KCYoung
None of it really matters...you dont have the stack to fold here. You call and hope you fade his draw or hope he has a small pair. If he has an 8...time to reload.
This.

I'd probably just stuff the flop.
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04-29-2016 , 08:35 PM
any hand with an 8 has already made a mistake getting to this point / you have already made money in this hand whether he has an 8 or not.
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04-29-2016 , 09:23 PM
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Originally Posted by mtagliaf
any hand with an 8 has already made a mistake getting to this point / you have already made money in this hand whether he has an 8 or not.
How can you know that? Effective stacks might have been big enough with one of the other players to call with 98

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04-29-2016 , 09:35 PM
have to be pretty deep to call a 10x for IO.
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04-30-2016 , 07:56 PM
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Originally Posted by 8ballJunkie
How can you know that? Effective stacks might have been big enough with one of the other players to call with 98

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I am not under the impression that "Biker Dude" was thinking about implied odds or spr, I think he just had a hand he didn't want to have to fold and the other 2 players in the pot were very loose and aggressive. I don't recall the exact stack sizes, but I believe he and the "Crazy Russian" were both somewhat deep.
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