Villain is mid-40's, and I would imagine is a decent hand reader, who managed to fold bottom set in a limped pot for $200 effective when action went I lead $20 with top set on 543r, V raises $70, V2 flats with $80 behind, I cover all and shove, V folds.

He's also been getting his teeth kicked in repeatedly with overpairs, and generally has a losing if affable image. I am perceived as laggy, but steaming perhaps after getting coolered in the above-mentioned hand vs A2. Just doubled through a med-stack with KhKs on 4-flush low board vs 99, back at about $280.

The Hand:

ES $250 (125bb) 6 limpers to me in SB, complete with 9c6c.

Flop ($14): 9h 9d 4d

I check, BB leads $10, V in CO 3bets to $30.

Given that V's 3bet value-range is trips and 44, I'm not beating any trips that he realistically shows up with. I find it hard to believe he's raising the NFD on a paired board.

So, even though the check OTF was a clear mistake, seems like a clear fold.

Thoughts appreciated.

Do you think that it's possible that villain can be doing this with any PP? If villain is a good hand reader, then he might be aware that this board doesn't help too many hands.

If he's raising for info, only 66-88 really makes sense, and even those I think he dumps given his image.

Could have slow-played a hand like TT, higher trips less likely. Don't think 44 is playing this fast, FD is possible.

I think I'd call and re-eval the turn.

sounds like a horrible game



[ ] CO 3bet
[x] given how nitty/passive/bad this game sounds, you might as well fold.

If I were the villain and I had 44, I would definitely play it fast. All hands that he is getting action from are drawing live. all 9's and flush draws have a fair amount of equity.

I'd have to have a really good read on the villain before I considered folding the flop. I know it's limped around 6 ways but if you're thinking about folding flopped trips to a bet of 15 BB's , you're better off folding this hand pre from the small blind.

Must put other pockets in his range and call here. Check every turn and reevaluate

If you think his range here is trips and boats then its a pretty clear fold...

However, this is 1/2 and people tend to show up with hands like TT-AA here. Or maybe he's 3 betting A4 or 55-88 to ''find out where he's at" realizing his mistake. Its a spot where your either WAWB so you can never raise.

I would either fold right now or call and re-evaluate turn, I think both are fine.

96s is a trash hand with these stack sizes and being in the SB makes it even less playable.

Here's the thing though, Villain co didn't raise late to act pf so can auto dismiss high pairs and some premium suited combos. Obv depends on the game and if people trap late with good holdings but.. Put every 9 combo 89 79 910 9j 9q 9k a9 and now put some flush draws and pp 55 66 77 88 and I guess if you want 44. But I doubt he bets 44 unless he absolutely knows bb has a 9 cause people fold fd to aggression in paired boards or maybe that's just me anyway te only 9 combo you are sol to is a9 and everything else you still go trips with valid kicker. If you know he got a 910 even then it's worth a call. You peel the 6 and get paid off big or since you know he 9 fold turn to anything especially nasty if u want. But by calling you an once to co that u have a 9 and then if u check turn and he still bet then I'd fold

Yes, lead the flop.

Yes, fold now given reads.

People are not raising pairs here nearly as often as some posters seem to think IME.

I dont mind a fold here, $2 invested and we're OOP. If we call this raise, the turn will be even more difficult to play.

In this instance what does leading flop do for us? Also if we get raised then what? We fold/call?

I typically fold pre but if I were to call pre and check I would snapfold here. I can see arguments for leading or checking OTF.

Most live Villains will play trips super fast when there's a fd on board so they don't get "sucked out on."

its a raise, not a 3B from him. And it's a call here. there is no reason he couldnt have a FD, or a random PP, but i think you are beat at least often enough that I wouldnt 3B it. if he bets the turn maybe you fold it.