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04-16-2014 , 02:11 PM
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Looking for help on this hand as I'm trying to improve my play and figure an optimal line in situation like this.

I haven't showed many hands on the table except where VILLAIN 1 paid me off when i had AAs

HERO: $350 - UTG - K Q - $350

I raise to $10 UTG

VILLAIN 1: $280 - UTG +1 - calls (pretty passive IMO and will call off TPTK)
VILLAIN 2: $300 - Cutoff - calls (just sat down, so no real read on him yet)

Flop is

9 6 5

HERO - I bet $20
VILLAIN 1 - raises to $40
VILLAIN 2 - raises to $105

HERO:
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04-16-2014 , 02:15 PM
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Probably just sigh fold. Unlikely you have fold equity, and there's a chance you're drawing near dead. Best case scenario you have 9 outs worst case you're up against two pair or better and Ax of clubs.
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04-16-2014 , 02:19 PM
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Probably just sigh fold. Unlikely you have fold equity, and there's a chance you're drawing near dead. Best case scenario you have 9 outs worst case you're up against two pair or better and Ax of clubs.
Agreed. With a passive player minraising the flop I'm getting the hell out of dodge.

Best case scenario here you're against A9 no club, absolute worst you're up against A7cc from V2.
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04-16-2014 , 02:22 PM
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Too risky that one of them has the nfd so I think its a fold. I think its a jam if you had AKcc though.
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04-16-2014 , 02:24 PM
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Fold...
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04-16-2014 , 02:27 PM
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Easy fold. Given the action you could easily be facing two big hands here. There are not a lot of ways villains can have two hands your doing well against and several ways you could be nearly dead. If somebody has the higher flush draw and the other has a set or straight, catching runner/runner offsuit JT are your only outs.

Even if your not facing two big hands, you don't know if catching your flush is good or not, making it a huge risk.
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04-16-2014 , 02:31 PM
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Would you guys view the minraise as a super strong hand or a top pair min raise and the guy is just trying to find out 'where he is at' - I just always view the minraise as not that strong most of the times.
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04-16-2014 , 02:32 PM
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It's actually a little close given it's pretty clear none of them are folding.

At this point, we don't want fold equity, we want everyone to stack off multi-way when we're likely to have flush outs against the vast majority of ranges.

The passive villain probably isn't semi-bluffing.

The unknown could definitely have Ax clubs.

In the end, I do think it's a fold, but it's worth playing with in Stove.

The equation definitely changes if we have Ac.
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04-16-2014 , 02:40 PM
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Would you guys view the minraise as a super strong hand or a top pair min raise and the guy is just trying to find out 'where he is at' - I just always view the minraise as not that strong most of the times.
Villain dependent, but more often than not I view a minraise as a nutted hand (whatever that particular player thinks is "nutted", it could be TPTK, it could be a minimum of a set) trying to get more value as "no-one can fold to a minraise!".

Honestly at 1-2 at a new table if a flop comes down with a pair, I am very often folding an overpair to a minraise if we're not massively deep.
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04-16-2014 , 02:45 PM
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Consensus is to fold, I agree.
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04-16-2014 , 03:36 PM
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At 1/2 this is usually a fold for me. Figure we are behind and even if we make our flush, we still may not be good or best case, fading a river card.

Pairing our K or Q most likely doesn't help us much facing this type of action.

Fold and take the information from the V's as their certainly getting it in.
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04-17-2014 , 12:02 PM
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Thanks for the feedback!
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