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Old 07-24-2012, 01:40 PM   #1
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1/2 - Is this as easy as it seems?

Hero - Young 20's playing about 60% of all hands being dealt. Table is folding up like lawn chairs. Clearly got some frustrated customers because of my play style. Around $850+.

Villain - 40's - 50's. Sunglasses and a cowboy hat, typical overly confident regular. Playing back at me more than anyone, also stuck big to me (stacked him 3 times already). Around $450 or so (just won a cooler against a kid AA > KK)

Folds to Hero in the cutoff. Hero has 97 of diamonds. Raises to 13.

Button folds, Villain calls in SB, BB folds.

Flop - 10c 8d 2d

V checks, Hero bets $25, V flats

Turn - 10d

V checks, Hero bet's $69, V shoves, Hero?

I feel like I'm way ahead of him at this point. He's been playing super hard against me and overplaying weak holdings. I stacked him twice where I flopped middle set and he flopped top pair no kicker and he shipped it all in on the flop (well over 75bb both times).
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Old 07-24-2012, 01:45 PM   #2
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Re: 1/2 - Is this as easy as it seems?

wow pretty sick spot

the thing is he may have just flatted with a set or 2 pair OTF due to your LAG image trying to trap, however i would discount this

also he could have a bigger flush, likely


however his range is dominated by 10x possibly 10x with the k or a of diamonds



i would sigh call hoping for a 10x, probably A10 K10
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Old 07-24-2012, 01:49 PM   #3
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Re: 1/2 - Is this as easy as it seems?

Its SUCH a fold (he started with 450 and shipped all in right?)

I think betting 50-60 OTT is just as good. Maybe even just do 50.

EDIT:

I thought villain was PFR. Since we are PFR its a bit more of a reason to chk back turn.
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Old 07-24-2012, 01:52 PM   #4
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Re: 1/2 - Is this as easy as it seems?

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Its SUCH a fold (he started with 450 and shipped all in right?)

I think betting 50-60 OTT is just as good. Maybe even just do 50.

EDIT:

I thought villain was PFR. Since we are PFR its a bit more of a reason to chk back turn.
I could definitely see him doing this with a bare 10 though as well as any PP or any 8

Why should I check back the turn? To c/r him?
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Old 07-24-2012, 02:40 PM   #5
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Re: 1/2 - Is this as easy as it seems?

snap call, with image and description he should never be doing this with a boat, pretty dumb to do that when youre gonna be firing away otr with air, or so he thinks. you either have him crushed w 10x or you are free rolling my friend
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Old 07-24-2012, 02:41 PM   #6
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Re: 1/2 - Is this as easy as it seems?

not sure about sizing on either street though, sorta big. just wondering why
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Old 07-24-2012, 02:51 PM   #7
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Re: 1/2 - Is this as easy as it seems?

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not sure about sizing on either street though, sorta big. just wondering why
Knowing how he's playing against me, he's either going to fold to a small bet or a big bet, or he'll call anything I throw out there. If I have the best hand, why not maximize the value right? I'm not scaring him off by betting to big at any point, therefore betting pot is max value for my hand.

I feel like he also read weakness off of my bets because I was betting hard when I had air and showed nothing a few times after betting pot on flops/turns.
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Old 07-24-2012, 04:00 PM   #8
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Re: 1/2 - Is this as easy as it seems?

Well played, easy call in my opinion. You're behind a few holdings for sure, but you're ahead of quite a bit of his range. Old guys play qq-aa this way to "trap" you and they want to win the pot now so you don't chase a four flush.

Bet sizing is good, you want max value. J-10, a-10 makes up a big part of his range.

Can't imagine him playing a big flush this way he'd either check raise smaller to get paid or more likely let you bet on the river too.
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Old 07-24-2012, 04:13 PM   #9
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With this action I don't think he has a full house here, I call and expect to see a bare 10.
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Old 07-24-2012, 05:15 PM   #10
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Re: 1/2 - Is this as easy as it seems?

Old heads do this alot with an overpair and a Diamond. Snap call.

u keep adding how aggressive he is seeming to justify your call (which im going to assume u made) and he had the boat (or else u wouldn't post this)...

just my 2c

but either way im calling 100% especially since u still have outs
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Old 07-24-2012, 05:27 PM   #11
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Wow, if he has a boat this is pretty bad on his part because hes letting an aggressive player off the hook. Maybe hes hoping you have a flush and cant fold. I call because if he has a boat why not let you bet river again, or raise less to get a call? If he has a nut flush, why bet so much into a paired board? Only reason is that maybe its a small flush and hes worried about it being counterfeited. If he has a ten, why overshove a flushed board? Maybe to protect. Very strange. Seems very "protecty" to me, like he is afriad of the flush, so I call and probably lose. Maybe he rivered a boat on you?
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Old 07-24-2012, 05:47 PM   #12
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Re: 1/2 - Is this as easy as it seems?

Against a lot of opponents, this is probably a fold- but I think given this circumstance and based on your description of villain and his perception of you, this is an easy call. If he did make a wild and crazy shove with a full house, then at least you're not drawing dead. There are still 2 cards in the deck that will sink his boat....
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Old 07-24-2012, 06:09 PM   #13
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Re: 1/2 - Is this as easy as it seems?

The only time I'm folding this is against a nut peddler or a very competent player who is a very good hand reader. A good hand reader is likely to read you turn bet as a very strong hand or air and make a big oversized raise thinking you either have air and it doesn't matter what they raise but if he shoves and you have some kind of strong second best hand you'll have a hard time folding.

Against this guy who has stacked off and lost three times I'm never folding here. With that kind of history you know he will get his money in bad. Most likely you'll have to fade anything that will give him a boat.
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Old 07-24-2012, 07:05 PM   #14
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Re: 1/2 - Is this as easy as it seems?

Snap call followed by internal fist pump. Then hope to dodge the 4 flush otr.
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