Long time "troller" first time posting.

this is a 1/2 club game. We are about 2 hours into the game, stacks are starting to grow. Hero ran 100 dollar buyin upto about 280(max buyin, i know hard to beat game unless we are playing fish). My image is pretty solid, consistant winner despite brutal rake, the most aggresive. I have plenty of experience with both villians. vil 1 is in the big blind, he is extra loose. he has diffrent gears he can go into call down mode, or be ridiculously aggresive ive seen him make a 3x's pot bet with anything from tpwk to 2 pairs and flushes.vil 2 is a whale always comes and drops 4 or 5 buyins. calls down everything rarely bets, saw him call down ak976 flop with 55

the hand.... utg limps, utg 2 limps, 2 folds hero looks down at a6ss calls, co calls, vil2 calls on button, sb completes vil 1 checks his option.i only called because table has been passive- limping big aces, but will also limp dominated flush draws.

flop....7s8d9s

sb checks, bb bets 20, folds to hero hero raises to 55, folds to vil 2 who flats,sb re raises to 175 allin, hero???

Need to know V's stack sizes, but...

In a limped pot with this board, you should play this like the bare NFD and are likely up against ranges that include combo draws, 2 pair, sets and flopped straights. Your OESD is no big deal and potentially RIO. It is the low end and 4-straight on board ain't gonna get paid even if you are best. You have no FE so raising sucks (and if you did have FE you raised too small).

The bb overbet the pot and a raise behind you is very likely so I would strongly consider folding. On the other hand, if you flat you may keep lower FDs in and if you bink they and other big made hands may stack off.

Overall, OTF...folding>flatting>>>raising

sorry vil 1 was allin so 175, vil 2 had me covered. i agree with the ranges for the most part. but i must reiterate that they are both fish. i was under the immpresion since villian 2 is so loose passive if i flat,he will flat with both better and worse hands. since he flatted the first raise he will NEVER reraise. its 120 to win 299. if vil 2 flats the 120, i can win 419, with a hundo back if i flat and he shoves its 100 to win 539

dont like preflop- raise this or fold to avoid awkward spots like this

what did BB do? did he fold? he lead out and is supposed to act before you now right?

youre basically getting 2.5+:1 on a call here (+ because you still have another guy to act behind you and also maybe getting BB in on this too), so youre priced in for chasing the NFD, but you have to consider if you have all your outs left or not.. (chasing lower flush or if they have a set, your 8s is now dead)

from the action, seems like V2 has a lower FD and SB flopped a straight with JT

im prob calling this, just based on the odds given (you still have ~30% equity even with 2 of your spades gone and against top straight)

i appologize, the sb folded. the bb shoved. if it is a loose pasive game can you still advocate a raise pf? i will only get called by better aces(85% of time, FISH) and believe i will fold out most spades. KQ and qj maybe be the exceptions.

i this may sound nitty but i woudl rather just call the initial bet OTF instead of raising. we are getting direct odds to draw to our flush and we know thats profitable. raising, im not certain is profitable because we could wind up stacking off to the nuts in a limped pot

i honestly think you may be correct. but there ranges are not only straights, there so loose bb could honestly shove 1010 here. with that being said if we flat the flop lead, are we folding to all turn bets(2/3 and up)? only gonna hit like 17%

no raise pf makes 10,10 unlikely right? im thinking its twopair+ with that big of an overbet lead.... mayyybe 9,10

it all depends what falls on the turn to decide what i woudl do next. with a draw like this on this board every card changes the situation.

if another straight card hits how does villain react? if the turn is a relative brick and villain bets again and we htink he still could have some two pair/sets in his range we prob have enough equity to peel the river, depending on bet size and if we have implied odds on the rest of his stack.

knowing most donkeys tho, if he doesnt have the made straight hes prob going to slow down in some fashion on the turn, either by checking or betting smaller. if he pots it or ships then hes most likely flopped a straight and we gtfo

and of course we could smack the flush on the turn and the hand becomes ez mode

as played are we ever folding flop with the station who has the bet 120 + the rest of our stack 100 covered? pot grew quick, didnt expect the station to get involved for 55.

I was talking about action after the initial $20 bet with 5 ppl to act behind us. May seem nitty but our draw is not as big as it looks and we are clearly not getting direct odds to draw to the flush (pot is $14). Raising here with no FE is really bad and having the 6 instead of the 2 makes no difference to me. Also remember that if anyone is drawing to a lower flush, although you will have implied odds against them, you have 2 less outs.

After a couple of limpers at a loose passive table I'm also looking to simply overlimp and hit a great hand against someone else's second best hand. In the end, we got ourselves into a 7way pot with a suited Ace for cheap and have position on the majority of the field; this is printing money.

BB just overbet the pot into eleventeen players. This is strong. I wouldn't raise here because there's a decent chance stacks go in, and if they do, our A is almost always useless, our straight draw might be useless (there's bigger straights out there already), so all we might be doing is drawing to the flush, plus still could get redrawn out on after than. This is kinda a tough spot with others still to act behind us. If I got the feeling some might call along to pad the pot, I'd call. Otherwise, we might have to consider folding (our immediate odds are very sucky), unless we think BB is never folding if our flush draw comes in and will pay us off.

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If I've read things right, villain has bet $20 into a $14 pot; we're getting nowhere near the immediate odds we need to chase our flush. It's unclear whether our straight outs are good (I doubt our overcard out is). It's also a little unclear as to what our implied odds are.

i cant see how flatting the 20 dollar bet can be that bad, i mean villian over bet the pot so he likes his hand. even if he shoves turn atm we are getting 1.7-1(2.7-1 when vil 2 flats), but if we know hes shipping turn the implied odds are over the 6-1 we need, riiight?

If villain is the type to ship the rest of his chips in when a third spade comes on the turn, fine, sounds like we have good implied odds against him. But the other problem is that we still have 2 people to act from scratch behind us plus the SB to react; if any of these guys are aggro and raise, then our life sucks. In general though, I would typically call here, although I'm not feeling fistpumpy about it.

P.S. We only need about 4:1 to chase the flush draw, although I guess it's possible one of those outs could be dirty (pairs board), so perhaps 5:1 ain't a bad guess either.

well...if out equity is around 34%-36% and we know bb is shoving every turn. dont we need, 6-1, its to see one card?