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Old 02-09-2012, 04:48 AM   #46
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Re: 1/2 Barrell turn vs unknown

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-Personally I don't like your pf bet sizing, you are risking $10 to win $3, you have position and there are only 3 people left to act. You are obviously bluffing/stealing the blinds with QTo, so a smaller raise will have the same effect.

-Your flop bet is fine, good c-bet on a A-high board.

-Once you get called on this very dry board you need to shutdown imo, I don't think you are going to get an A to fold, (which is the majority of his range here) maybe a weak one, and especially not with that small $35 bet, it could work with a big bet but I don't advise it. Usually at 1/2, when someone flops a pair a aces, they go into showdown mode and will check call even 3 barrels to the river. If your opponent has a draw you are ahead, and if he does had a mid-pair you have 10 outs to beat him. So just check and check/fold the river.

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Old 02-09-2012, 04:52 AM   #47
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Re: 1/2 Barrell turn vs unknown

So do you like a 3x pre? 4x? For the most part , in this hand from LP unopened my most common raise is 9 , so 4.5x , i imagine at the time i didn't have the 1's and just tossed in 2 5's without announcing. When i first started hitting the cash games i was experimenting with raise sizes and started out with 4x but quickly realized that's more of a pot sweetner in most games and lately from up front ill go 10-12 and from LP 8-10. But i def agree that from late position we can lower our PFR sizing , so just wondering what your suggestion is as far as open raise sizing in this spot
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Old 02-09-2012, 05:04 AM   #48
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Re: 1/2 Barrell turn vs unknown

I usually open for 3x in late position, sometimes 3.5x but never more then 4x.

However, if your playing against people who don't pay attention to betting patters and bet sizing you can open for $10 in late pos. with good hands where you want callers. But that's usually only at the 1/2 level.
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Old 02-09-2012, 09:22 AM   #49
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I usually open for 3x in late position, sometimes 3.5x but never more then 4x.

However, if your playing against people who don't pay attention to betting patters and bet sizing you can open for $10 in late pos. with good hands where you want callers. But that's usually only at the 1/2 level.
Maybe for you. This recommendation is very region specific, and likely room or even table specific.

Just watch the table's standard open and what gets multiple callers and what gets things HU. Then, adjust.

In my rooms, $8 won't fold anyone. $12 folds a few, but $15 steals the blinds. Add limpers, and you have to bump your raise size when opening or once the first guy or two calls, the rest just follow the herd.
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Old 02-09-2012, 12:16 PM   #50
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Re: 1/2 Barrell turn vs unknown

Against an unknown (plus our unknown image), I think barrelling is setting money on fire. We have no clue how this guy plays (nor he about us) so until that is decided we should keep pots small with mediocre hands.

We've picked up a gutshot on the turn and possibly have 10 outs against smaller pairs. I take my free card. I also check behind on the river as it's possible Q high is the best hand (if he's on a small straight draw).

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Old 02-09-2012, 12:22 PM   #51
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Going to have to disagree with like everything.
For a live game 10 pre is super standard if not a small raise.
If a player isn't active the first two orbits having no reads is expected. All we know is his vpip isn't huge.

Close to 0% that you're ever getting floated by KQ on A23 board. $18 is good imo, they are folding everything but Ax and 2p+(rarely will you even get called by a mid pp, especially when you raised pre).

Again your turn analysis is silly for a live game (not trying to be mean but have you played live in a casino before?). No way a J is going to be in his flop calling range unless he has AJ.
+1 to all of this (in response to thePokerBoss)

For those who are saying raise small cuz we're risking too much to win the blinds: it's not just about winning the blinds. It's about getting this HU in position against typical fit/fold players, which is printing. money. So the more money that goes in preflop, the more money we make by cbetting the flop.
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Old 02-09-2012, 12:25 PM   #52
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