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Old 06-17-2012, 01:39 AM   #1
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1/2 : ATo in CO line check

Hero ($300) 40 wearing jeans and t-shirt, ball cap no glasses. Only been at the table for 2 revolutions and this is first hand played.

Villian ($240) early 20's asian male. White ball cap. Sunglasses. Has limped almost every pot since I sat down.the only hand I saw was when he won W/ 73o that he limped, caught a 7 on the flop called a $10 bet with 2 overs on the board. Called $25 on the turn and rivered a 3 and called $25 for the winner and was embarresed to flip his hand over. LOL

Utg limps
Mp limps
HJ limps
CO (hero) raises to $15 w Ac Ts
Btn (villian) calls
Folded to mp who calls. Hj folds.

Pot $47

Flop: Ks Jc 8s

Mp checks. Hero raises $30, villian calls, mp folds

Pot: $107

Turn: Th

Hero bets $70 villian calls

Pot: $247

River: 6d

Hero?
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Old 06-17-2012, 04:13 AM   #2
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Re: 1/2 : ATo in CO line check

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Old 06-17-2012, 04:33 AM   #3
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Re: 1/2 : ATo in CO line check

I'd check there to him. By the way he's played, he's almost guaranteed to fire at it, in which case you have to fold. It's one of those hands where position plays right into his favor and this nothing you can do about it. If you have a tell on him and can make a hero call there, by all means do so, but you're definitely check folding the river card.
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Old 06-17-2012, 06:47 AM   #4
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Re: 1/2 : ATo in CO line check

Need more info on villains aggression level but if it is not high I'm not c betting and definitely not betting the turn, seems like uber spew to me.
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Old 06-17-2012, 07:31 AM   #5
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Re: 1/2 : ATo in CO line check

Betsizing and plan after flop is way off. Thus, leaving you in this horrible spot at river. Obv c/f, but shouldnt be there this invested.
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Old 06-17-2012, 08:50 AM   #6
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Re: 1/2 : ATo in CO line check

Turn bet is pretty bad, you have very little fold equity as the ten helped almost his entire range, giving him a draw to go with his pair or a pair to go with his draw. Should be a check/fold.

Now that you've bet the turn you have to fire the river. He'll have a lot of pair + draws that missed, he has ~$125 left at this point, I think he'll find a fold if he has worse than KQ.
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Old 06-17-2012, 09:56 AM   #7
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Re: 1/2 : ATo in CO line check

Let me give you a run down on my thought process through this hand. As the pfr flop bet is pretty standard. I have a gutshot and a weak backdoor flush. I can easily represent AK AQ on flop and turn and I picked up a pr to go with my gutshot. When viliian calls the turn I put him on Axs or weak pair but I weight it more twards Axs. I think most villians wouls let me know if they had 2pr+ by now with all the draws out there. He could possibly have AQ but I think it unlikely. If he is on the flush draw I'm not getting any more value on the river with a bet and prob only get called by hands that beat me. A check could induce a bet by a busted draw.

Also villian didn't look to comfortable calling the turn.

I should have put this in my OP but was a little tired when I posted. Sry
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Double posted...dunno why.
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Old 06-17-2012, 10:12 AM   #9
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Let me give you a run down on my thought process through this hand. As the pfr flop bet is pretty standard. I have a gutshot and a weak backdoor flush. I can easily represent AK AQ on flop and turn and I picked up a pr to go with my gutshot. When viliian calls the turn I put him on Axs or weak pair but I weight it more twards Axs. I think most villians wouls let me know if they had 2pr+ by now with all the draws out there. He could possibly have AQ but I think it unlikely. If he is on the flush draw I'm not getting any more value on the river with a bet and prob only get called by hands that beat me. A check could induce a bet by a busted draw.

Also villian didn't look to comfortable calling the turn.

I should have put this in my OP but was a little tired when I posted. Sry
Hate this thought process. Stop thinking things are standard and analyze more closely whether a bet is good. Now it is hard to tell from 1 hand but this guy seems super loose passive and very reluctant to fold. That makes cbetting against 1 other player pretty dubious.

I mean, against people who peel flop light and then fold on turn and river too much it is different but this guy called with 3rd or 4th pair on the turn in the 1 hand you mention. Of course there are benefits to c betting but against people who you expect to play straightforward I think it would be better to check flop and play perfectly on future streets.
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Old 06-17-2012, 10:14 AM   #10
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Let me give you a run down on my thought process through this hand. As the pfr flop bet is pretty standard. I have a gutshot and a weak backdoor flush. I can easily represent AK AQ on flop and turn and I picked up a pr to go with my gutshot. When viliian calls the turn I put him on Axs or weak pair but I weight it more twards Axs. I think most villians wouls let me know if they had 2pr+ by now with all the draws out there. He could possibly have AQ but I think it unlikely. If he is on the flush draw I'm not getting any more value on the river with a bet and prob only get called by hands that beat me. A check could induce a bet by a busted draw.

Also villian didn't look to comfortable calling the turn.

I should have put this in my OP but was a little tired when I posted. Sry
And this is awful. He has a way way wider range. Every kx jx and 8x in the deck.
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Old 06-17-2012, 11:32 AM   #11
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I don't mind the flop cbet. Once he calls and you spike a ten OTT, I would just check and try to get to SD cheap and fold if villain bets.
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Old 06-17-2012, 12:04 PM   #12
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So against a guy who is just as likely to call down with bottom pr or a draw as he is with tp/mp its wrong to extract $ from him when we could be ahead? So what just check turn and give him odds to beat our hand? Seems a little weak to me. Against someone with a tighter starting range I would say sure...but against this guy?? If he does have kx jx we still have 9outs to beat him. (8 if he has kq.qj) If he has A2 -A9, 78,89, 9T, q7-qt, t7 we are ahead and should be getting value out of him.

I could be wrong of course but that's how I'm thinking about it.
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