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1/2 AKo VS Maniacs - 400bb Deep 1/2 AKo VS Maniacs - 400bb Deep

09-04-2014 , 05:58 AM
£1/£2 Deep Stack, Wednesday early evening, 8 handed

V1 (£800) - Mid 20s chubby dude in hoodie, played with him earlier this week, saw his £2,900 stack went down to £1,500 in 2 hours of ultra aggressive play, and I was told by another player that he lost it all before dawn. So far he has raised or opened 70%+ of pots and showdown very little. Having already lost first BI of £500, he reloaded £1000. Earlier in this session he called 3 streets OOP against V2 with 44 (And he SHOWED) on Q85 72 for over £400 when there was another V all in. V2 had K9 and took the lot

V2 (£750) - Directly to my left is this Eastern European TAG, that is the image I have of him before his big score (£7000) early July in WPT London. Last session I saw him called 3 street until all in and could not beat TP one time. This session he already 3! twice when I raised, including my open with AJo to £10 in CO, he 3! to £27, folded to me and I decided to 4 bet fold to £75, he instantly 5bet to £200. One hand before this AK hand, 2 limpers and I raised on the button with 9T, he immediately 3! to £69, I called. Flop J72, he bets £89, I jammed for £358, he tanked call and I turned a T to take it down.

Hero (£800) - Just won the 9T hand and still talking about how V2 has been bullying the table.

Hero dealt AK

V1 limped £2 UTG, 1 caller, Hero raise to £15, V2 call, BTN fold, SB + BB fold, V1 re-raised to £65 , folded to Hero call, V2 call

(£200)

Flop

78K

V1 bet £100, Hero raise £225, V2 folded, V1 did not look comfortable and finally call

(£650)

Turn 9

V1 check, Hero check

(£650)

A

V1 lead £100, Hero?

I am not sure what V1 can call a raise, (which would be almost all in for him on his second bullet) that doesn't beat my 2Ps. Comments on all streets welcomed.

Last edited by Vinyl_Pimp; 09-04-2014 at 06:04 AM.
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09-04-2014 , 07:14 AM
Explain the thought process behind raising the flop and checking the turn. 65 and 99 a big part of his 3betting range?
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09-04-2014 , 07:27 AM
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Originally Posted by venice10
Explain the thought process behind raising the flop and checking the turn. 65 and 99 a big part of his 3betting range?
The raise on flop is to ISO V1 and play IP, I was happy to take the pot as it was.

I ranged V1 99+, AJs+, 65, 76, 87, 98, T9 and I don't want to commit my whole stack with TP and fold out worse on turn.
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09-04-2014 , 07:53 AM
Question. Noting description of V1 in OP, isn't two pair (via 3 bet pre with SCs) a meaningful enough part of V1's range to make betting river for value the right move?
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09-04-2014 , 08:19 AM
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Originally Posted by Vinyl_Pimp
The raise on flop is to ISO V1 and play IP, I was happy to take the pot as it was.

I ranged V1 99+, AJs+, 65, 76, 87, 98, T9 and I don't want to commit my whole stack with TP and fold out worse on turn.

IDK man. So you think this guy limp re raises that wide for sure? If it is then why not a 4bet preflop?

as played against a decent player ur hand looks like KQ-KA here and river youy will never get paid off by worse IMO if we raise. Call river.

IMO we screwed up turn like venice alluded too. If we think he is that wide then we screwed up preflop ( a little ) but flop for sure by only basically minraising his lead. If we were gonna take a passive approach on turn then just calling turn is better this also allows him to lead turn again and we can see if we how our hand and value is then.
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09-04-2014 , 08:26 AM
Pre: I can see why you'd flat AK vs two maniacs this deep as you'd have an ideal SPR on the flop provided they both call, I'd probably take same line.

Flop The raise sizing is good as is the fact that you did actually raise fairly small as opposed to calling. Seems about right on this dry flop and vs two maniacs (key words here are maniacs who might very well come over the top with anything from air to Kx to straight draws).

Turn I don't get why you'd check the turn? You did say he called earlier 3 streets with 44 so wouldn't you lose value in the long run. I'm assuming you're checking back for pot control but I personally would take the taking him to value-town line and just bet ¬55% pot.

River As played I think the river comes down to live reads. I'd probably try to get something off of him to help with the decision. I guess this guy is capable of talking himself into calling AI with smth stupid like a 1pair hand or something. Obviously he'll show up with a straight sometime (if the feeling of him looking uncomfortable was genuine) and a slow-played set rarely but that's poker imho.
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09-04-2014 , 08:59 AM
Tp and top 2 are the same here....
Raise rvr.. Bc you forgot your turn bet
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09-04-2014 , 09:08 AM
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Originally Posted by MK7749
If it is then why not a 4bet preflop?

as played against a decent player ur hand looks like KQ-KA here and river youy will never get paid off by worse IMO if we raise. Call river.
How much would you 4! PF?


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Originally Posted by praFF
I'm assuming you're checking back for pot control
Exactly this, if V called with air on flop, I also want to give him a chance to bluff river, and AT, A9, A8, A7 and A6 are all drawing thin.

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Originally Posted by Oddhalo
Tp and top 2 are the same here....
Raise rvr.. Bc you forgot your turn bet
You are not wrong!

Spoiler:
I ended up calling and V announced he had an ace and didn't want to show his cards, so I tabled my hand and took the pot.
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09-04-2014 , 01:23 PM
^^^

If my read is this guy is that wide then I would raise to 165 here pre flop. we got position we can play poker.

Really funny line by Vil also I'm assuming he thinks you are loose or weak post thus the bad limp/raise pre flop line.
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09-04-2014 , 08:29 PM
This game sounds epic.

Turn check seems bad. The only reason to check back the turn is to get him to bet the river. The board is too wet though. I probably just shove the turn. As played I dont think there is much value in raising the river as v is likely on a monster or air.
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09-04-2014 , 09:21 PM
4! pre. Why are you 4! AJ oop but flatting AK IP against someone who lost 1400 in 2 hours?

Bet every time it's your turn, jam riv, sorry he has 56
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