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Old 05-19-2017, 03:01 AM   #1
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1/2: AKo against a straddle's BIG RAISE

Player on my right is a tight player. But I seen him lead out fired 3 streets with me when I opened with 84h hit top pair on 833 flop. SB is a tighter ABC player, limp with weak hands, raise to ~$12 with legitimate hand, fold to aggression easier. We three have around ~$500 each.

Hero opened to $12 with AKo
Bb called. Straddle reraised to $50, hero tanked for a few minutes and fold. Bb called.

Pot ($~114)
Flop: QQ9
Bb c/f to straddle's cbet

Thoughts?
Should hero 4 bet to $155 with AK represent AA or KK?

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Old 05-19-2017, 05:27 AM   #2
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Re: 1/2: AKo against a straddle's BIG RAISE

I know some people will suggest to 4bet here with AK for sure. A lot of people like to straddle and 3bet light because they feel like you just raise to steal the straddle money so I think AK is way ahead of their range here. However, $50 is a big 3 bet and since you both are 250 bb deep, my default is to fold here and look for a better spot especially you're on his left so you will have position over him the majority of the time

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Old 05-19-2017, 05:32 AM   #3
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Re: 1/2: AKo against a straddle's BIG RAISE

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I know some people will suggest to 4bet here with AK for sure. A lot of people like to straddle and 3bet light because they feel like you just raise to steal the straddle money so I think AK is way ahead of their range here. However, $50 is a big 3 bet and since you both are 250 bb deep, my default is to fold here and look for a better spot especially you're on his left so you will have position over him the majority of the time

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So u only suggest me 4b if we play around 300bb above? I felt like if I 4bet here its either a jam from him with QQ/KK, and my AK probably in bad shape.

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Old 05-19-2017, 05:34 AM   #4
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Re: 1/2: AKo against a straddle's BIG RAISE

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So u only suggest me 4b if we play around 300bb above? I felt like if I 4bet here its either a jam from him with QQ/KK, and my AK probably in bad shape.

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No I mean since you're so deep. There is no reason to commit or 4bet with AK when there is also KK/AA and pairs are still 50/50 vs AK.

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Old 05-19-2017, 05:41 AM   #5
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Re: 1/2: AKo against a straddle's BIG RAISE

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No I mean since you're so deep. There is no reason to commit or 4bet with AK when there is also KK/AA and pairs are still 50/50 vs AK.

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Any reason to re steal with AK? I also felt like 4 betting here was essentially fold out overpairs that might have good equity against us. Also when the tight bb called, he will have JJ, maybe AQ..idk

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Old 05-19-2017, 05:50 AM   #6
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Re: 1/2: AKo against a straddle's BIG RAISE

What position did you raise from the way it reads sounds like LP/BU???
Anyway it really boils down to what the villian 3b range is
Is he likely to 3b AJ/AQ??? If your sure he would then I like too call and see what happens on the flop, you mentioned that he likes to blast off 3 barrels so having position on this guy makes it a lot easier.
The only issue is the raise size, it is massive and if called puts the SPR at 5ish.
Overall I think you probably did the right decision as you dont really seem to have a plan after the flop and trying to float this guy will end up in a bad spot so better to just let it go and move on

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Old 05-19-2017, 06:23 AM   #7
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Re: 1/2: AKo against a straddle's BIG RAISE

So straddle was 4 or 5$ and you raised to 12? Never folding to the 3! As played, 4 or flat depending on reads
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Old 05-19-2017, 07:28 AM   #8
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Re: 1/2: AKo against a straddle's BIG RAISE

The 3b is not big considering there was a caller.

I 4b smaller to 135 or so personally. We could have some 4b/folds in that sizing.
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Old 05-19-2017, 07:55 PM   #9
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Re: 1/2: AKo against a straddle's BIG RAISE

Never in my entire career have I won the pot when 4-betting AK.

And I am one old fart geezer.

Maybe it's just me.

But I don't do it any more.
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Old 05-19-2017, 09:12 PM   #10
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Re: 1/2: AKo against a straddle's BIG RAISE

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Player on my right is a tight player. ...We three have around ~$500 each.

Hero opened to $12 with AKo
Bb called. Straddle reraised to $50, hero tanked for a few minutes and fold. Bb called.

Thoughts?
Should hero 4 bet to $155 with AK represent AA or KK?
If I see a player frequently dropping in these $50 raises preflop, then I'd call and play the flop in position (looking to flop TP and let him donk it off). But it sounds like this is a reasonable player with a big hand who is just hoping you have a slightly less big hand. Kudos to him if he made a play, but I don't have a good feeling about continuing.
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Old 05-20-2017, 12:06 AM   #11
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Re: 1/2: AKo against a straddle's BIG RAISE

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Never in my entire career have I won the pot when 4-betting AK.

And I am one old fart geezer.

Maybe it's just me.

But I don't do it any more.
AK is a tricky hand to play. Unless we are playing 100bb 'tournament' then we may continue...

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Old 05-20-2017, 12:08 AM   #12
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If I see a player frequently dropping in these $50 raises preflop, then I'd call and play the flop in position (looking to flop TP and let him donk it off). But it sounds like this is a reasonable player with a big hand who is just hoping you have a slightly less big hand. Kudos to him if he made a play, but I don't have a good feeling about continuing.
There was once I had AJ raised to $7, sb called. He 3 bet to $20, I folded. Later on he show JJ to him. I guess I made a correct fold with AK

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Old 05-20-2017, 12:20 AM   #13
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Re: 1/2: AKo against a straddle's BIG RAISE

what are the positions? u say you open, bb calls, straddler rr. is the player to ur right the straddler? is the BB, the sb in ur description? How are you perceived at the table? Did you call the triple barrel with 84hh when you opened?
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Old 05-20-2017, 12:48 AM   #14
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Re: 1/2: AKo against a straddle's BIG RAISE

Wow you folded pre in position with the 3rd best hand you can have?
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Old 05-20-2017, 12:58 AM   #15
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Re: 1/2: AKo against a straddle's BIG RAISE

Get a poker book and learn the basics. This is awful.
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Old 05-20-2017, 01:03 AM   #16
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Get a poker book and learn the basics. This is awful.
the problem with 2+2 nowadays
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Old 05-20-2017, 01:10 AM   #17
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what are the positions? u say you open, bb calls, straddler rr. is the player to ur right the straddler? is the BB, the sb in ur description? How are you perceived at the table? Did you call the triple barrel with 84hh when you opened?
I was in co, 6 handed table.
My left was bad loose aggressive, 3 players are tight, one is loose fish shoved with A4s with last $50.

I figured out if he has overpair, 99, TT, JJ he would have 3 bet in straddle so he led out was kinda weird. When he only half bet the river, I had a good price to call. So I ended up confidently flip over my hand when he hesitantly not showing his cards for few seconds.

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Old 05-20-2017, 01:11 AM   #18
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the problem with 2+2 nowadays
Because he doesn't not get paid in this free site, that's why he is parasiting

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Old 05-20-2017, 02:40 AM   #19
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Re: 1/2: AKo against a straddle's BIG RAISE

Can't just fold AK here pre 6 handed ip. I'd 4 bet since he 3 bet from the straddle and no one ever has a hand when they straddle... and... we have a premium hand.

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Old 05-20-2017, 02:52 AM   #20
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Because he doesn't not get paid in this free site, that's why he is parasiting

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"Parasiting" lol. You can't string the important details together. You could at least read it before you post.

Are you UTG? Does the person straddling straddle a lot? Have they raised it before or do they check it a lot? What did he have when he barrelled the 833 board? Why were you calling down with 84? Why are you opening 84? Is the tighter ABC the current SB? What is the BB image?

Besides all those missing pieces of your post.

Folding is just bad unless the straddler is a huge NIT, which is unlikely since they're straddling. Against an unknown 3/5 player I'm 4-bet calling to like $140.
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Old 05-20-2017, 06:07 AM   #21
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Are you UTG? Does the person straddling straddle a lot? Have they raised it before or do they check it a lot? What did he have when he barrelled the 833 board? Why were you calling down with 84? Why are you opening 84? Is the tighter ABC the current SB? What is the BB image?
I was in CO after he straddle.
Yes, he frequently straddle esp during mid game.

Nowadays he checks the straddle a lot, before few session he would spew like stealing with 42o.

I thought he might have 8Tc smth like that I was figuring out what was his kicker.

I called down with 84hh as I thought he might have more bluffs than value. Yes, he could play in this way with 99, TT thinking I might call down all the way with A high.

Because the small & big blinds quite tight, and straddle quite too. 84hh with extra equity does not play bad against their weak range.



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Old 05-20-2017, 12:28 PM   #22
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Re: 1/2: AKo against a straddle's BIG RAISE

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I was in CO after he straddle.
Yes, he frequently straddle esp during mid game.

Nowadays he checks the straddle a lot, before few session he would spew like stealing with 42o.
4b/call

With the straddle on, we are only 100bbs deep. Not folding to this type of player.
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Old 05-20-2017, 04:42 PM   #23
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^ +1. He's gonna over value a lot of hands. 4b/c > flat > fold > 4b/f
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Old 05-20-2017, 07:29 PM   #24
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Re: 1/2: AKo against a straddle's BIG RAISE

Note that straddling effectively changes this hand to 1/2/4 and you should no longer consider yourself 250BB deep, but more like half that. I can't see folding AKo in this situation. It sounds like 3-bettor is not *that* tight, and is capable of significant aggression, so his range is probably significantly wider than the typical {QQ+, AK} you see at this level. If he's solid his 3-betting range will also include some bluffy type hands like SCs and AXs, especially if he sees you as not aggressive enough, which is likely based on stereotypes of older players (I'm assuming you're 50+ since you called yourself "an old fart").

I like calling here but 4-betting is okay.
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Old 05-20-2017, 11:11 PM   #25
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Re: 1/2: AKo against a straddle's BIG RAISE

No, I'm 25 young gun i guess? Lol...many times I don't feel comfortable commit my stack with AK, cause either I'm getting coolered by KK/AA or the flop entirely misses everything

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