hero: young asian, aggro, talkative with whole table, tries to always have friendly, fun table with mix of all sorts of conversations. just lost an $800 pot to the table drunk where i jammed over his raise w tptk thinking he was raising light and he had bottom 2 with 24cc and i couldnt catch up. sittin on about 1450.

villain: asian guy, mid to late 30s, splashing around ALOT, raising cbet on 6810dd with q2dd and barreling into 2 players on turn 8 river 8 shows bluff. betting 3 streets with his entire range multiway if hes oop and he hits the flop. just overall aggro asian monkey, but actually speaks very good english lol i know racist but i can say that because im asian. has me covered.

so very next hand after i lose the big pot i pick up AK and make it 15 from MP, drunk calls to my left, button insignificant calls, asian 3b to 100, hero calls, others fold.

flop
39A
pot: 230ish

asian bets 200, hero calls 200

turn
9
pot:
630ish

asian bets 300, hero???

so preflop he hasnt 3b very often at all but my hand is way too strong obv and i didnt want to 4b because i had 3b him when we were like 600 eff and he called and donked 3/4 pot on a 61010 board when i held aj so i had to fold as i knew he could just be barreling every turn with his whole range.

otf his bet was so big in didnt make any sense, and he obv never has a flush here. without a club its pretty crappy for me so im deciding im going to let him continue to bluff/value own himself with kk/qq/jj/aq with a club type hands and hope the board runs good for me.

so theres my thought process for pre and flop, turn i will discuss later.

this reeks of AQc imo maybe KKc but not likely. Do you think he would 3bet with a 9 in his hand? I think its time to get the money in here

I call and pray for non-club IMO. Let him keep barrelling. I might call a club river too depending on what he bets.

nah raising will fold out all his bluffs, which is a big chunk of his range at this point...if we get it in now, there is a very decent chance we r getting free-rolled....which is never fun for 7.5 BIs

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Going into the turn effectives are $1,150. He bets $300 so pot is $930.

Stack size is somewhat awkward but think a raise to $750 may work. Club draw < 1 in 5 to get there, while calling $450 yields ~3.7-1. The question is will he call, any history there? Perhaps given his aggro leads, better to flat and get more value on the river.

I think you should follow your flop plan OTT as well. Flat the turn and call a non-club river, value bet if checked to.

Call, call non-club rivers, bet/fold $555 or $600 depending on table dynamics (555 if he likes to showdown, 600 if he is capable of bluff raising a weak bet here) if checked to on a brick.

I want to pot control this badly. Like others are saying I think his range is heavily weighted towards aces with flush draws. AxTc-AxKc, KxKc is also possible but I'm discounting it because I think that would slow down on the turn.

Plan is to call and call non club rivers.. if he checks on the river I think a check back is fine considering the pot size. I hate bet/folding on a board this wet, getting to showdown is fine I think.

Wow... Such a massive 3bet for 1/2 blind level.

I agree with Zeebo. I would def call turn..., as for river, I expect villain to go to showdown with a lot of the hands we beat, don't you?... Like there is no way this guy is turning KcKx or QcQx into a bluff. He's also likely to check back AQ...

As for club rivers, it would be really ballsy for him to bluff there (in what seems like a massive pot for 1/2). So if he bets a club river, I'd want to c/f

3 bet from what I am guessing is from the blinds would worry me a little. Strange bet on the turn. OTF he bets almost a pot size bet and on the turn bets about half the pot. It looks like it is a blocker bet to see a somewhat cheap river hoping he gets there or he already has you and wants a call. I'm not sure if the villain is a strong enough player to make an advanced play at you. As you describe him he could have air or aces full. I would prolly call and hope for non club. See what he does from there.

so most ppl seem to be advocating a fold on club rivers. and nonclub river were calling. do we feel like he will call with aq/aj/a10 with a club if we jam/raise ott? will he fold ak with no club? will he call kkc? i think these are the important questions to ask.

i discussed this with a friend and he had same thought process as most of you and i have. however only thing id like to add is i dont mind him folding hands we beat or bluffs, because sometimes i think he will bluff a club river and i am forced to fold. and the fact that the pot is so huge i dont mind taking it down right there and avoiding the huge variance that the river may hold. i buyin very deep and i am by no means scared money, i will put in 400-500 bluffs when i feel necessary, but ive had a similar situation in the past where the "right thing to do" is to let villain continue to bluff his worse hands and gain value from that, but if he has the ability to bluff cards that scare me with his air and maybe hands that hve somewhat sd value then i think its better to just tid right there ott

I call turn against this villain.

How do I get in this game?

Don't you hate life though when villain doesn't fold to your turn raise? He looks like he's committed to the pot and I'm not sure we get a lot of folds here. I still think we make more money by flatting and evaluating the river action. We will at least save some money if a club hits and we have a very vulnerable hand right now.

Not to mention do you really think villain is going to be bluffing club rivers when we've been calling him down? We could easily have Kc as well in his eyes.

anything we raise is committing us to the hand so im not folding river if i raise less than allin and he calls and a club hits. and why would i hate life when villain doesnt fold turn? he has to have quads, aces full, or magically raised w kqcc/jqcc 910ss type hand to have me beat right now, i have 100% confidence im ahead with how the hand played out with his sizing otf. club rivers suck but thats about all that makes life hell if he calls my turn raise, but again, im committing myself ott, there is way too much money in the middle to think about folding otr

yea we could and he can definitely think we have kc, but hes also a monkey so he could just keep going crazy.

not sure if i came off in a bad tone i like the input.

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