Hero ($260): Newish to the table but playing TAG, not getting out of hand at all.

V1 ($250): Playing pretty standard, no real reads at this point in time.

V2 ($400): 50s, calling station, spew-tard. Played with him for several hours last night too and he calls most river bets. He bluffs a good bit too.

Hand: V1 is UTG+1 and raises to $12. folded to me on the BTN with 88. I call. V1 in the SB, sizes out a 3bet, decides against it, and just calls.

Flop ($38): KK8

Checked to me on the BTN. My normal play is to bet here, but I checked back.

Turn ($38): 4

V1 bets $25. V2 immediately raises to $100 straight. I tank call. V1 calls.

River ($338): 5

V1 checks, V2 bets $100 again. I tank shove for my remaining ~$150.

Thoughts?

Seems to me you checked the flop for value on later streets. V1 leads and V2 pops it, so it sounds to me like there are many hands that you crush that will pay you off (Kx-55-44). Does K8 show up here often? I doubt it. I don't think V1 is so strong, maybe QQ-JJ.......V2 is where you're trying to get value. And since he's a spew-tard.....

OTR is a must-shove.

You're good here so much, take it down.

I would just shove on turn as played.. I would definitely be betting flop in positions since pfr checked to you.. Probably only checking here if I'm OOP and it's to the pfr who is known for cbetting... I guess our line works out because you got max value I'm assuming.. But this is a rare occasion normally you would be losing a lot of value by checking flop... My 2 cents

I think your play on the hand was perfectly fine...if you got coolered...that sucks.

I don't think there's any doubt that you played it fine pre-flop, flop and turn.

On the river if you think V1 likely calls if you call, and likely everyone folds if you shove, then the shove doesn't maximize your profit.

Um... Seems like you should be betting the flop most of the time here. How are you going to get stacks in otherwise (this hand is a rare example IMO)? There are many different hands that can call a flop bet, flush draws, Kx, and PP's. If the flop was rainbow, or you blocked most of the strong hands (like if you had KK), then maybe I could get behind a check.

After the flop I think you played fine.

I think the hand was played perfectly. I understand we should be betting the flop here a good percentage of the time of we were playing online or 5/10+but checking back here live is so much better, especially at 1/2. We have position on both opponents so we shouldn't be worried about getting value on later streets. We would bet both turn and river 100% of the time if it was checked to us.

I think the only real decision to make is whether or not to flat the $100 otr or to ship it. Obv depending on whether or not V1 and V2 will call.

After looking over the hand I would be very surprised if V(SB) and V(UTG) didn't have AQcc/AJAcc and AK, respectively. V(SB) thinks about 3betting pre with two face cards and a FD but doesn't. I think he would easily 3bet QQ here. He bets out when he hits flush on the turn and then calls the re raise. Would obv fold after the re raise and a call here with 99+. V(UTG)'s play makes perfect sense with AK or I guess KQ. He checks the flop here like almost all 1/2 players do when they hit trips and plan on betting the turn. Then on the river he again bets thinking he is always ahead.

Obviously this is just my opinion and would be very interested to here more hand ranges of both villians from others.

Line looks good as long as you had a good feeling they would get it in on the turn, if you got coolered that's just poker

On the flop, I'm betting here almost every time, but this may be the one time I do not. You flopped so much of the deck.

You got the perfect card on the turn. I like the call here.

River shove good.

Well played.

I'm betting $25 on the flop when checked to.

As played, I'm shoving the turn.

River is fine as played.

I think it's pretty obvious that these guys like their hands, so let's go ahead and get the money in there. A fourth club or second pair on the river could kill your action. I wouldn't wait until then.

I don't hate your line on the turn, because it's possible that it will allow you to drag V1 along. I'd just prefer to get it all in there.

3 handed a check back isn't the worst thing in the world but the optimal play is to bet this flop. We will get value from Kx and flush draws. Keep in mind if any club comes on the turn it will kill the action from Kx (ie villain may tighten up to check/call mode and we only get small value on 2 streets). It will be hard for villain to put us on a boat if we bet flop, so if a villain hits a flush they are likely going to play it aggressively (ie either lead strong or check-raise us).

If this was a rainbow flop then I would advocate a check back and hope someone picks up a straight or flush draw on the turn.

The flop is a great place to bet weak at about half pot. It is a must if you want to charge draws the fullest amount by the time you get the river.

As played with the flop check, congrats on the monies!

nh

Bet flop $25 always. You lose so much value checking especially with a FD out there. Also I think V1 has 99-AA a lot and is pot controlling . Don't let him
Another big problem with checking is that if someone turns even an ace or Q, they're unlikely to put in a lot of money anyways. Get value from 99-AA and FDs now

Did v1 have quads?

It think knowing V2 is spewing you played it fine. A smallish 1/3-1/2 bet on the flop would have been fine also, since no K or flush draw would have gone anywhere.

Only hands you are losing to are KK, K8, K4,K5. I wouldn't be surprised if V2 shows up here with AK (from his 3-bet decision pre), and V1 shows up with a flush.