+1

Btw i would definately now raise the turn !

i would call the flop and raise the turn.

Any turn card? I did consider this myself but decided to just raise right away in the few seconds it took me to get over being confused by the donk.

I like the delayed raise on dry boards, but not so much on drawy ones. Are there any hands you could have that you would not delay here?

This is quite a dry flop against the range you assigned him.

not every turn, but like 40 of them.

probably calling everything on this board (on the flop).

I would never delay against a donk.

If Villain check raised, then you have (a) confidence they're leading the turn, and (b) an indication they're aggressive and often doing this with worse hands.

Donking is a passive move, unless they're donking to 3-bet.

If Villain check-raised, I would call and raise turn.

nope.

you just got your TAGfish card. i hereby certify you officially on this the 18th day of october in the year two thousand fifteen.

+1
all day long
tough to make a pair and UTG raise includes many non-pair hands

Raise call the river.

That's what I did. He had KcQc.

Bad luck hitting 1 of 2 cards that cost you 2 extra BB.

Yep, I've seen it called the "a**hole card" in other threads here.

I guess this assumption was wrong. Even still, there's just more combos of AQ, QQ, 66 from a "tight" reg than flushes when you can see the Ac in your hand. KQ, KJ, KT, QJ, JT, T9 maybe? Paying off the three bets is fine, too.

I don't understand why you are now saying your assumption was wrong. He didn't have a worse hand than my set of aces, so we still don't really know if he could have 3-bet one or not.

I'm really bad at typing from my phone on here, so I meant that I wouldn't have expected him to three bet you with all of his flushes, even if he had them, fearing the nuts. He still may just call with the J hi or even Q hi.

Think you played the hand well; rodeo's suggestion to call and raise/call turn is fine, too.

I ran this with a tight range on Equilab and even then, 89.4% equity for AsAc, so I'd just raise that river without blinking knowing this and probably 5 bet him even in such a good spot.

99+, AJs+, KQs, AQo+ range.... 89.4% with all the cards out.

Last time I 5-bet though, they 6'd and I called and got shown a straight flush to my flush, worthy of a payoff, no tilting, next hand please dealer! >8)

Time before that, Top full, and I lost to quads.

Your ranges here are ridiculous and in no way relate to any prior discussion of this hand.

Hey trillig,

Not to be a jerk, but how our hand is doing against his preflop range really doesn't have much bearing on how we're doing against his donk/call, redonk, bet range. It only does insofar as that we can start him off w/ a narrow range of combos and whittle down from there (as in, he won't donk/redonk AJhh or 99).

We're much more likely to be up against a range of:

Flushes (KQ, KJ, KT, QJ, QT, JT we'll give him)
Sets (QQ, 66)
Two pair (AQ)

That's 6 flush combos, 6 sets, and 3 two pair. We like our hand enough to raise against this range (especially since I think it's more likely he shows up w/ 66 than KT/QT/JT here), but we are certainly nowhere close to 89.4% equity. We're probably between 50% (if he has all the flushes and never has AQ, which is possible as we've the A of flush draw in our hand) and 75% or so (in a hugely optimistic case of him not redonking his made flushes often).

So while I agree it's a raise, it's an absolute crying call if 3 bet. 4 betting is suicide.

Me? I'd have thumped this river with another raise, if he re-raises, just fast call.

Looking it over, pre-flop raised and tight player, if he's paired you are a winner, he just happens to have 2 big clubs, oh well, you reasonably paid him off, it's limit, it happens.

When villian 3 bets river we have a crying call and 4 betting really only becomes a suicidal bluff given we have Ac. Lol at 4betting for value, I would have just called villians donk OTR.

On the river, when he 3 bets your options are fold or call

If you accidentally 4 bet the river and he 5 bets, you don't have to snap call the 5 bet.

I really want to fold to the 3 bet but what can you do. It's just a river FU card.