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Old 07-27-2012, 10:26 PM   #1
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Pretty sure this hand is uninteresting and I know my thoughts, but the opening ceremonies suck and I typed half of it up already so what the hell.

8/16 CP. Boring session so far. Only one hand of note so far where villain (button) in this hand iso 3 bet AQ, I 4 bet AK otb and he called me down when an A flopped. He berated himself afterwards so he sees me as a TAG, I guess.

Two loose / bad limpers, one solid TAG limps, villain (who is solid and just a tad on the LAG side for my liking), raises button and I 3! AA from the SB. BB calls, limper calls, two folds and button 4 bets. I call (note that it is a 5 bet cap), BB calls, limper calls. So 4 to the flop for ~18 SBs.

Flop is JT6.

BB checks, limper donks, button raises, I 3!, BB folds, limper calls and button calls.

Turn 7. I bet, two calls.

River 8 and I bet.

So non-standard for me. Thoughts?

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Old 07-28-2012, 07:27 AM   #2
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Re: Stupid boring AA hand

Not that it matters much, but would your opponents assume that you'd only cap pf with aces or kings?

Even if they did, you still need to take your value then since you've already got two of them that have called two more cold and otb ain't goin' anywhere. Get your chips in the middle when you've got the best of it.

As played, rest of the hand is standard. What was your plan if you got c/r'ed otr?
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Old 07-29-2012, 12:27 AM   #3
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opening ceremonies suck.
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Old 07-29-2012, 12:28 AM   #4
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How come you didn't cap it pf?
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Old 07-29-2012, 09:17 AM   #5
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Re: Stupid boring AA hand

Cap pre.
And If you "only" cap with AA here, you need to open your range.
Too much value foregone to make up afterwards by not capping here
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Old 07-29-2012, 10:43 AM   #6
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Re: Stupid boring AA hand

The opening ceremonies seemed like they were designed for someone with ADHD. It was like flipping between live shots / music videos / old movie or TV clips every 3 seconds. I couldn't even watch it.

Capping PF is obvious and standard. A few considerations - I don't play with this lineup much. I've been card dead for a few hours. If I cap OOP they pretty much put me on AA every time. This is when of the few instances where I thought not capping pf might actually be +ev, but obviously this was in the moment and subject to debate.

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Old 07-29-2012, 10:44 AM   #7
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Oh and I can't get cr'ed on the river, but if raised I probably call and expect to lose every time. Pot is huge though.
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Oh and I can't get cr'ed on the river
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Old 07-29-2012, 11:44 AM   #9
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Re: Stupid boring AA hand

yeah, they'll put you on AA (or KK) but surely you've heard "I knew [I was beat/you had aces] but the pot was so big I had to call" many times.
Besides, on certain boards they put you on a set when you 3bet the flop after calling pre (here, JJ and TT make sense) and just call down from there. The deception has more appeal 2-3 handed when people tend to put in more action with one pair hands.
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Old 07-29-2012, 06:13 PM   #10
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Its that typical sshe dilema because Yah sure "they" might put you on AA but theyll do that anyway and theyre salivating to bust your hand and that's why you've got get Max value per street blah blah blah.

Oh and btw most these droolers aren't paying attention to you anyway. And even if they were they can hardly remember their phone numbers let alone when and what hands you played.
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I think the problem with not capping preflop is we can't guarantee Btn will C-bet the flop for us 4-ways. Not capping and having the flop check through is a complete disaster for us.

If we can guarantee btn will c-bet the flop 100% 4-ways, I think not capping is probably at least defensible and possibly good.
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I think the problem with not capping preflop is we can't guarantee Btn will C-bet the flop for us 4-ways. Not capping and having the flop check through is a complete disaster for us.

If we can guarantee btn will c-bet the flop 100% 4-ways, I think not capping is probably at least defensible and possibly good.
Button will bet 100% of the time. What hands does he 4 bet that do not bet the flop?
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Button will bet 100% of the time. What hands does he 4 bet that do not bet the flop?
Well that really depends on your read of villain, but off the top of my I could definitely see some boards where villain would be inclined to check back AK, JJ, TT. Some villains check back KK on Ace high flops 4-ways.
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I think the problem with not capping preflop is we can't guarantee Btn will C-bet the flop for us 4-ways. Not capping and having the flop check through is a complete disaster for us.
If that's your concern you can always donk most flops.
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If that's your concern you can always donk most flops.
That's silly, if we're going to do that, we're much better off just capping preflop. The benefit of not capping & C/R'ing the flop (if we're confident we will be able to,) is we get to face the field with 2 bets cold
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