Well at that time he called the 18 before me. So I am sure if I went to 24 he would have called. If you are chasing hearts for 18 you will do it for 24. But I do see your point. I could have made it 24.

It appears you didn't see that the guy with hearts had the TOP pair. Also, you need to stay at 3/6 until you understand why raising with the nuts 3 ways is they correct play even though "they were calling anyway". That turn play is an abomination.

Read, understand and apply the ideas in the Small Stakes Holdem' book before you go blow a few thousand dollars at 10/20.

Post hands on this forum, read and participate.

Good luck!

I noticed that but with a bet of 18 on the board by the guy with the big blind you have to play it as your 9's are no good nor would a third 9 be any good.

But I am still learning things in the game for sure. That is one of the reasons I like chatting it up on the boards. Lots to learn yet. Hope to never stop learning. I am just going to try one 10/20 session out just to see how it plays. I will sit down with a rack of red. If I lose that money I get up and go back to 3/6 either way while I work on my craft. But once the rack is gone I would get up and cut my losses.

I'm not sure how easy it is to do in that casino, but maybe you can also watch a few hands at the 10/20 game from a distance. I've done this at the Bellagio several times.

Also, whether you win or lose in that one session is going to depend A LOT on luck. Luck is still going to be a huge factor, even if you don't face bad players who chase everything.

I think it's going to be a tough jump. But I can understand why you're curious. I was always REALLY curious about the 10/20 game here until I actually sat down and played in it. It was a very interesting experience.

After you sat down the first time how did you proceed going forward? Did you stay with 10/20 or did you wind up going to a different limit game?

This reasoning is completely flawed. He hit top pair in an unraised pot, his flop bet is correct play. Betting the turn 3 ways with 4 hearts when he didn't get raised on the flop is the correct play also.

Now, your mistake on the turn is the only huge mistake made by anyone in the hand. You lost over 1.5BB in ev on that street, which is almost 3 hours worth of winnings!

Not that there's anything wrong with gambling but I'd recommend you study a lot before moving up.

BTW, the amount you win in one two or 10 sessions has very little to with how much better than the others you are. Limit is very swingy so losing a few racks in a session is very common.

Would you recommend someone like me who is still learning some things move down to 2-4 limit as opposed to playing 3/6?

At those limits all the money is going to the house in rake, so switching to 2/4 may be worse!

Stick to 3, 6, or 8 until you've studied and understood the SSLHE book mentioned above, unless you feel like gambling. I'm sure the T/20 players will appreciate your action

That was pretty recent for me. I tried to play more 8/16 here whenever I could because that was a much easier game when it got going. I've also played a lot more no limit recently because no limit games are everywhere where I live. The 10/20 game is much harder to get into because there often is only 1 table going, and I have to wait too long to get a seat. And even when I finally get a seat, the game is often pretty tough for the stakes. That's discouraged me from playing in it more often. I also don't have the biggest bankroll ever, so I'm waiting until I have more money before I start playing in that game more often.

I only played 3 short sessions of 10/20 mostly to get a feel for it (I guess similar to what you're thinking about doing), and watched several different 10/20 tables at other times. I didn't like much of what I saw. I think I was the second or third best player at the table each time. I did see some very weak players and a small number of very good players, was card dead almost the entire time, and lost about $400. Most players weren't good, but they were definitely tighter before the flop, and more aggressive than what I was used to seeing.

I think you're too worried about avoiding bad beats. There are a bunch of times when players will try to catch that miracle flush, call when they're way behind, and pay you off after they miss. You will win a lot of big pots because they chase so much.

If you play in tighter games, you'll go card dead for an hour or two, finally get a decent hand, and watch everyone fold after you bet or raise. That will win you a tiny pot.

It's also going to be really tough trying to build your bankroll at 3/6. You might win a few hundred and think you're on your way, and lose that all back. I don't think anyone should expect to won around 5-6 dollars an hour at this level.

it's 3/6 or 10/20 in AC.

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If you play Thursday let us know how it goes. Maybe you can c/r bluff me off a big pot!

Yeah was going to say no 4/8 at the Borgata, Not even a 5/10 although two weeks back they actually had a 5/10 Limit table going. I was in a bit of shock. I guess they will let you start any interest list.

Proto you going to be there Thursday?

As for building bankroll on 3/6 you are probably right but that really only leaves 10/20 (Which is the limit I am trying to build for) so that is out and 1/2 NL ? I have never really enjoyed the NL tables at the Borgata. Playing 1/2 NL often feels like playing 10/20 (Even though I never played 10/20) just feels like to see a flop it cost you 10 to 20 dollars 90% of the time. If that would be the case rather do it at a limit table.

At a limit 10/20 table, you're playing $15/round in blinds. At a 1/2 NL table, you're paying $3. If you're in a NL game where every flop goes with multiple players for a 10x raise, I think you'd much rather be in the NL game. You should be able to nit it up and then stack some donks (think that's the correct terms). Basically, you can play a hand every hour or two and expect to be pushing huge edges when you do play. Also, you can simplify the game by playing short. With the LHE game, you're going to have to play multiple streets well to profit. If it really is $20 to see every flop in the 1/2 NL game, you and your $80 stack have one decision -- how do you get it all in good preflop.

I have considered moving over to 1-2 NL. I think the plan now is to go tomorrow and try the 10/20 game out. If I like how it goes and how I handle it maybe I stay there for the next few weeks to get a bigger sample. If it does not go so well I might just fall back and try to build my bankroll through 1/2 no limit until I can get enough bankroll to play 2/5 all the time or 20/40. Never really paid much attention to 2/5 no limit so not sure what a good bankroll would be or what most people sit down with at that game.

Not sure if I want to post a lot here regarding the game, but AFAIK I am the person who plays the most weekly hours of 10/20 at the Borgata who also frequents these forums. If you'd like to send me a PM you're welcome to, I also will probably be in the room tomorrow.

As some others have noted though, that QJ hand you posted wouled be in no way unusual in the 10/20 game. There are lots of people who get runner runner; not so much that they are going for that, but they plan to call you down with any piece in case you have only ace high, and sometimes they pick up monsters. Some people also just call on the flop no matter what they have, especially if it is a headsup pot.

The game definitely plays much different than the 3/6, but not sure it will be what you are hoping for; when I happen to be at a table that is full of regulars who don't chase very much, that is one of the rare times it is not a good game.