Would a 4/8 game be beatable with a $5 max rake, and a $1 bbj drop? Assuming I'm tipping 1-2 dollars every pot I win. How about a 8/16? 10/20? The players are absolutely terrible. Just wondering, because I personally didn't think it was beatable no matter how bad the players are but I'm not sure now.

Stop tipping every pot you win. That's the first thing. Say you play for 5 hrs. And say you win (profit) $125-$200 (Random amt) Odds are you are tipping $15-30 (?) a session. Multiply that by how often you play per/wk/month/yr and that's a lot of $ going out the door. Not saying don't tip, but have a limit. I don't tip for uncontested pots, if I win hand pre (rare I know but happens) or if I take it down on flop. Say you go on mini heater & win 3-4 out of 5/6 hands, don't have to give $1-2 every hand. I play 3/6 or 4/8 when available. I'd say beatable, but you have to budget that tip $.

This makes sense, but I'd just feel wrong not tipping. Taking one down pf, I can get behind not tipping there but it's tough to not tip elsewhere

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i'd guess the game and rake you described is unbeatable/barely beatable

tip a dollar if you saw the flop and won the pot. easy game.

Losing $7-8 per pot is huge!. I think that any game where you lose over a SB per pot is pretty much unbeatable long term (or very close if they aren't looking at their cards and all pots are 6+ for 2bets).

The quality of play isn't much better at 8/16 so it's better to play that game if you can handle the swings. Better to risk $4k playing 8/16 with a high RoR than a guaranteed ruin long term with that rake at 4/8.

Yeah, I assumed the game was unbeatable, I was just making sure. The problem is 8/16 rarely goes. Thanks for the input though guys.

Even the 10/20 would be tough to beat for a big rate -- you want a loose/wild game with big pots to make the rake matter a lot less. If the pots are just big enough to pay max rake and the opponents are decent, I wouldn't bother. By 20/40 or 30/60, you could cover the rake if the games were soft. Hate to say it but with this rake, if there is a 1/2, 1/3, or 2/5 NL game available, you'd be better off.

No, you are not. I think exactly the same except I would say 20-40 is definitely beatable, don't have to go 30/60

4/8-10/20 I call slot machines, you get 4-6 players in n avg. and no one is folding. I think even though buy ins are a lot bigger at 15/30-30/60 you can get people to fold on the flop and pre-flop with an avg of 1-2 players (at least where im from). Most people unfortunitly dont even have the BR to play 2/4 let alone 8/16 dont play outside your roll, the variance in limit can be high and you have to log a lot of hours. If your just playing once a week 4/8 and the rake wont matter, but if your playing 40+ hours a week there is a lot of other things to factor in. NL might be your ticket if your cino dosent run bigger limit games.

You are completely incorrect about this being an issue. If I can find a 100/200 game that plays like this, I'm quitting my day job and moving in to that game. If you can't beat 4-6 bad players, you probably can't beat 1 bad player and 7 good ones. Thinking that if only your opponents played better and folded then you would do better means that you don't understand where your profit comes from, or it means that you can't adjust to good games. Learn to love good games and profit. I've played for profit in games with one bad player, 4 very good ones, and me -- they suck, they're tough, and 5 of us wished we were sitting with 4 more of the other guy. Please give me 8 fish at a live table who limp everything but AA, who never raise w/o 2 pair +, who never fold until the river, and this would be the best game ever.

Check the stuck threads at the top of the forum and good luck.

I wish the wife could find slot machines just like that game.

I love NL games filled with people who take this advice even more than I love LHE games filled with people who ignore this advice.

My 4/8 game is 10% capped at $3 with a $1 drop. The only thing that makes it barely beatable, IMO, is $200 high hands and a generous Monte Carlo board. I almost alway tip $1, $2 if it's a big pot (8 bb or more).

Jruels, wow, that is the best 4/8 rake + promotion I've ever heard of. I would assume that game would be beatable for at least the 2 best players at the table.

Yeah, I've been beating it at over 1 bbph for the last eight months. It's a good "training wheels" game for me.