LJ - 1 limps. LJ limps. HJ has posted a kill and therefore does not act yet. Unknown CO raises. You are OTB.

1. Coldcall range?
2. 3-bet range?

Game is loose/wacky 8/16. Limpers are LOL bad. Killer is averagely bad. BB is solid. SB is super loose.

jesse start us off with your ranges here imo

hmm hitting you 3-1 but LJ-1, LJ, BB and killer are probably gonna call raise so maybe 5-1. Kill is foreign to me btw. BB has to post a double sized blind (SB posts half that) and the Killer has to post but gets last action? is this right?

I'd be more comfortable playing this multi-way in position than try to 3! and get dead money and heads up so my cold call range is gonna be wider than my 3!. I know you guys say cold call is bad but I think in live it's a different story than online, especially when kids are almost guaranteed to call behind.

I'll 3! TT+,AKo, AQo (I'd drop this if i knew CO was tight but alas no reads), AKs

I'll CC Axs, Two suited T or bigger, 9Ts, 66+ (not quite set value but I think you'll get paid when you hit), I'm obviously loving suited hands in the multi-way pot. Off-suit big cards seem really weak here.

I didn't stove anything i guess because I'm thinking more of how this will play postflop while putting in my ranges

Babar I don't know what my range is here which is why I posted. Apparently I fold QJs, which after a moments thought has to be a mistake. Or is it? Domination concerns, horrible relative position, etc.

But I will try:

coldcall: 22-99, KQs, AJs, AQs
3-bet: TT+, AK

I guess my question is do I need to put the suited connectors in here? I am OTB but my relative position is epicly bad.

When cold calling in this hand I would be looking for flush and straight draws plus two pairs by the river. Bigger suited connectors are less likely to get counterfeited which is why I'd stay away from 78s or lower.

Lower pocket pairs.... I guess my argument for dropping those is because middle pocket pairs have decent value when board shows up paired but the small ones are playing too close to the edge.

yea i'm gonna start making everyone in this forum do a lil basic work instead of just posting 'tell me xyz' kinda questions. plus, a lil self examination/thinking about ranges is pretty useful imo. because i made you a sick pb and b, you can't complain

Confirm pb and b.

So just now I did this:

utg bad player limps. Utg + 1 awful player limps. Utg + 2 laggy preflop but very ABC and misses value and calls down with 9th pair raises. 2 folds, I insta-call 87s. And I didn't think "87 sooooted I can post this" or whatever, I just did it.

why would I fold QJs with 2 limps a post and a raise OTB, but call with 87s with 2 limps and a raise in the CO. In a bigger game no less.

Did I do it because I was more comfortable in the 20/40 and feel more confident post flop? Or do i really value 87s more than QJs here?

You have LJ/HJ/CO already in the pot and pretty much calling anything for one more bet.

Rough estimate on blinds, 50% of the time they call one more bet, so on average you get one blind in the pot if you cold-call.

I'd cold-call anything I want to play 5-way for 2 bets. 87s-KQs probably, 22-77 offhand.

3-bet anything I feel comfortable getting heads-up with 3 extra bets of dead money (blinds = 1 half kill small bet, LJ, HJ). I think you can 3-bet AQs even in a more passive 8/16 game. 99+, AQs+ should usually be 3-bet IMO. The others are marginal (77/88+, AJ+) for tight live ranges IMO.

What's pb, pokerbot?

Off topic - what is LJ and HJ?

LJ = lojack
HJ = hijack

HJ is the person immediately to the right of the CO (cut-off = immed right of the button (BTN)).
LJ is to the immed right of the HJ

Jesse, I'm not digging your "no more MP" terminology. I mean damn, LJ-3 is UTG in a full game.

What's next?

VLJ - very lojack?
HJ/MJ/LJ - MJ = midjack?



Jesse : "I was playing a great 40 last night with 2 walkers and LJ-1 limps"
Bravos : "Oh, you mean UTG?"
Jesse : "No! LJ-1!"

i honestly read pb and j cause of all the HJ LJ talk

re read...peanut butter and boner

im young

banana, noob

pbj = old and busted

pbb = new hotness

That's from MIB right?

So srsly Kit what's your range here?

I have a wide range here. Probably:

22-77, A8s-AJs, KTs+, QTs+, J9s+, suited connecters down to 65s, suited one gappers down to 97.

I would 3bet AQ+ and 88+.

Cold calling range: 22-99, 45s-QJs, Axs, KTs, KJs, AJo+, KQo

Raising w/: TT+, KQs, AJs+

QTs? KJo... prolly fold.

Suited one gaped cards can prolly hit the muck, but if I felt I was reading my table well I may be calling or even raising w/ worse.

I'd 3bet KQs, AJs, AQo, 88+

I'd CC any pair, and depending on the blinds I'd cc a huge range of crap. If the blinds are loose I'd cc any suited connector down to 54s, probably 68s, J8s, K9s-KJs, maybe any Axs.