I just fold the K2o. 7:1 sure, but crappy hand that loses to every other King and doesn't have much big hand potential. The suited variety of big-little hands like this is just so much better.

K2s i am calling for sure in the SB there

I'm more allergic to big/little offsuit than people I know who play better than I do... I snap fold K2o, but I suspect geniuses may not. K2s OTB? You might care about ranges you can infer from limpers, but it is fine to play small stakes. A third limper and loose/passive blinds makes this a normal no-fold'em situation. The raise/call decision depends on the blinds, how the table reacts to aggression, etc. If they're mindlessly terrible calling stations, overlimping 3rd in can't be that bad. If you're somehow in a game with thinking players who can hand read and blinds who can fold or over-fold to aggression, raising is probably much better.

I typically raise the third one and fold the other two. Position and all that.

We need 12.5% equity, and have close to 20% (note if we think bad offsuit kings aren't in limpers ranges we have more than 20% equity). We will have trouble realizing all that equity, our hand has significant RIO, and sometimes BB raises, but that's still a massive overlay. And we ain't up against geniuses.

For example as per RIO, are you folding A2o...A6o HU vs an EP raiser in BB? If not, then the RIO from K2o four ways in an unraised pot has to be a much lesser concern, no?

My strategy in the limped SB spot is to call most of my hands. Almost any two suited ( not 32s, 72s, 82s, etc), and any unsuited hands with straight or high card value down to Jacks. I fold the worst unsuited hands if BB raised.

It's possible this is yet another leak of mine, but i don't see it yet.

You guys would be shocked at hands I call in first two scenariois. Mayvee its wrong but it gets worse than K hi

I'm shocked so many people are folding K2o as a SB complete.

How often do you assume the BB spite raises the field?

I raise BB fairly widely because you can get folds out of SB a lot. When i'm the SB who the BB is may make me tighten up a bit if i think they raise often.

Just wondered if our various assumptions about BB behavior in a hand where 2 people limp and the SB completes. Could this be a driver in the differences of opinion? If you told me flat out "the BB raises AA and only AA", it is harder to justify folding being anything but bad.

I'd call all 3.

Using the logic that "I'd open this hand on the button so I'll raise it vs. limpers" seems pretty flawed to me.

In most games where you have the opportunity to complete the SB with K2o, people play pretty passively from the BB. Like if they raise it's the top 5%. Some people don't even raise anything from the BB in that spot because they think, "no one is folding anyway."

I don't flatting in the blinds. 3bet/fold unless you want to walk the dog.

So what do you do with 65s and 22 in SB vs limpers? Since you can't 3b, you fold?

If opponents are going to check flop to you nearly 100%, raising has value.

If they are likely to lead flops with wide ranges, i'd limp or fold.

I fold K2o in the BB

I would call hands like T8o

Big card little card off suit hands aren't good.


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Here is a spinoff question from a Desert Cat post.

Do you call A2o-A6o hu to ep raiser? I was taught to dump the small Aces. I suppose HU against a non nit you're not doing too bad. I just auto muck these but I could be wrong. This could still be residue from HFAP. If you don't call these, how big a kicker are you looking for?

Are you calling these hands if it is a ep raiser and a couple callers? Or many callers?

I may be too much of a nit in this spot.

Thanks!

I call all of them believing my opponents ranges, even UTG, are wide enough domination is not a huge cost. Could be another leak tho.

I never would've thought there was a possibility that I'm nitty preflop in any way but I play in limpy games and regularly dump crappy offsuit kings in the SB

the first offsuit A i call vs. a normal (not loose, not too tight) EP open is ATo. but i have all suited A's in there.

This has been my default as well.

Meh. I think people over-estimate how much domination RIO there is with A-rag.

Flop comes A-x-x. Most villain barrels twice with their whole range, including KK- and unpaired hands. That's some good IO even if you don't go for a thin value raise.

I'd say most is strong, but if say you've A9o on the BB and the flop comes A55, you can rest assured that many opponents are never firing 3 barrels without a hand that beats A9 (obvious exceptions include runouts like K-3 where A9 can call river for chop equity).

you underestimate how often they fire 2 or even 3 barrels with 8 high on A55 and we get to win 2 bets with 100% equity.

Top pair is generally a pretty good hand. With Ax I can make the very toppest pair....with K2o I can make the next toppest pair. These are pretty good hands to make.

If you are really going to butcher it post, maybee that makes a difference but thats hard to so since basically we are only looking to flop a pair.


+ we get to play fun hands sometimes(vs the right people) like we complete K2o pf. the AA4 flop checks to button and we call 3 times

On a55 I still really like having a9.

My main point is that villains who cbet 100% and barrel too much give us better IO