Out of position syndrome.

QJs in the lojack, I open it up.

Called by the btn and bb.

3 to the flop, 584 two-tone, neither one ours. Cbet, called by the btn.

Turn A of flush-completing. What is our plan, stan?

I generally feel very lost in these spots, where I open a little loose in late-middle of late position, get a call behind, whiff the flop and turn, and feel lost in when to b/f, c/c and c/f. They are just all gross and check-anything feels like it turns my hand up as a whiff. Any thoughts on approaching these?

I'd c/f here on turn..u have no hand and no draw.

I like your raise preflop since your opening and it seems as if it was folded.. to you.. by raising your telling the table I have high cards or a good pair, I like this because we can pick up the blinds or if called on a high card lop we can represent the A or K... however I think a cbet here is bad... it is too wet... even if our villians are scared of us having an overpair chances are at least one of them has a flush or stright draw and one may have a pair alrdy... we have nothing... however a bet isn't terrible just for me not ideal as I don't think anyones folding this flop and if it was me on the button with a flush draw or even a pair, your gonna get raised off your hand.................

So we raise preflop, whiff flop... id just check flop and probably peel a card if bet into.. however once the A hit(LHE players LOVE to play any Ace, and the flush was completed) its time to abort mission c/fold...

Nothing wrong with how u played but check/fold this turn always...

I want to make one more suggestion to u.. from reading this post and your 77 post.. it seems to me you don't like giving up on hands once you have entered them.. you can't win every hand.. it is ok to fold on the flop sometimes... especially in SSLHE 90 percent of the time a hand is going to showdown..we make money by raising when we have the best of it or a great draw... say I have AK preflop I'm not raising to draw ppl out.. I'm raising because I have the best hand and I want them to pay me money to see a flop... but wen the flop comes 678 diamonds and I have the. AK of spades, well now I don't have the best hand and I have to slam on my brakes... id be a fool to cbet this flop unless I happen to be heads up... I'm sure u knnow. This but I think sometimes your forgetting this at the table... although my Ak hand was an extreme the point is its ok to check/fold hands... don't be afraid to bet out when u have the best of it or a good chance of having the best of it.. but if you whiff a flop try taking a stab but if it doesn't work ABORT! There is no shame in folding

Bet turn, c/f river.

+1

this seems like our best option.

3BB and just overs.. board is highly textured. i check/fold the flop..

I think that's a mistake unless OP can give us a read/range for the button's cc and, specifically, how the flop might connect with it.

I'd b/f the turn. That ace is gonna be pretty scary if the button doesn't have one and it didn't complete his fd.

Maybe so. I'd just rather pick a better spot. Do you think im giving up too much value by doing this? Or is this standard?

How could there be a better spot? Our hero raised preflop, and two people decided to weakly call. We see a flop with two opponents, we continue the betting lead into the small field, and we're half way to collecting the chippies in the middle. Then the A, a card that we're supposed to love, comes. This has now become a great spot. We bet the A and win the pot. If not, we have 6 outs to improve to beat anything other than an A.

This is heads-up poker 101. If you're going to steal, you need to learn these spots. Short answer: you're giving up way too much.

But he was just talking about c-betting lowball two tone flop in a 6 sb pot against two opponents. So saying he should steal is saying he should c-bet flp and barrell the turn if a good card comes, in this case an ace being one such example of a good card.

As far as I'm concerned, nobody actually commented on whether he should c-bet flop. Leo just said that he shouldn't c/f, and secret said he should c/f, but I was wondering if anyone thinks he should c-bet or just c/c if folding flop is bad.

Actually it seems like you are saying that c-betting is right on the flop in this 3bb pot. I guess because only two opponents specifically?

Yes, cbetting is standard.

I'm not exactly sure where the pot sizes are coming from. Three of you put in 2 small bets to see the flop, plus the small blind folded. There are 6.5 bets before rake.

Against 1 or 2 opponents, just cbet all the time. There are some expert spots not to cbet, but mostly people won't see them correctly. Just cbet everything you steal. I'm not confident that I get all the spots to not cbet correct, and so I also default to cbetting 100% unless I'm sure that I shouldn't.

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we should be betting any broadway card on this turn with QJ.

would you guys continue betting on this turn with pairs 99-kk?

bet turn

I'm not trying to argue... but i really disagree.

First off, on the flop you're blindly c-beting this as a 'steal' play. But i didn't raise preflop on a steal. I raised for value. When i lead into the flop, i want to have a draw if i am behind.

Instead, i feel like im either building a pot for someone on a stronger draw or im behind to an ace or a king.

Second, when this 'great' turn card comes off.. it completes the ace and flush draw. I understand how this is a great scare card.. But isn't small stakes the land of calling stations?

i also have no doubt when you lose this pot it will be because of that ace, worse still is it gives any diamond MORE redraws against me and more reason to sick around.

What do you do when that card is a king? or a random diamond? Still bet? And you check all none scare cards? Honestly, i don't see how you can commit (or worse half commit) to several rounds of betting to win barely more than you're risking.

And when you ask how things could be better? I'd probably c-bet this with a rainbow flop. I'd def c-bet it with a backdoor draw. I'd def c-bet it with 5BB in the middle, and if i was feeling frisky i MIGHT c-bet it just because i have the BTN.

But i don't have any of that. I have two overs no redraw against two random hands on a highly textured flop with no money in the middle.

I defer to your wisdom, that's why i am so shocked you disagree. Again, not just trying to argue here.