AsAc on button.

limp, limp, hero raise; BB and two limpers call

Flop: Kc5cKh

Hero checks behind

Turn: (Kc5cKh) Qd

Bet, fold, hero calls, BB folds

River: (Kc5cKhQd) 4h

Bet, call.

Don't do this. Just keep betting until someone does something aggressive and then we'll talk about it.

I'd bet the flop because I have the ACE OF SPADES.

Way too MUBSy or FPSy. Not sure which though. It's not like we can't fold if one of the limpers randomly unleashes the check raise OTT.

True but i like OP line if you actually cannot fold the turn.
Main point is, you have this board totally crush or your drawing almost dead and the action you would get is not pretty wide if you cbet because you would check a lot in this spot ( 4 way you would check behind when the flop misses you).

Good thing by checking , you can get value by being weak hoping someone bet a bluff or weak hand into you or let opponent catch something like a pair OTT but still would be close to drawing dead anyway since 2 pairs are forfeited.

Do i think we should never cbet unless we hold trips when the flop pairs multiway ?
No, but a K do hit a lot of our opponents range here while a board like 944 would not, where i would gladly cbet .

This is terrible. You can still get plenty of action from players without a king. For one, there is a flush draw. Plenty of lower pocket pairs will be happy to give action here as well.

Yup.

I mean, if I'm BB, I'm happily calling down anyone who checks back AA on this flop with a 5 because you just won't have enough value hands to balance out your random J9s that's trying to take the pot down. Of course, these guys will be happy to take a 5 to showdown because 2 pair is a good hand.

Imo vs 3 opponents, a lot more K are probable than pp pay us off.
Unless you think 88+ do not raise pf.
True for flush draw but we have the A anyway and flush arent a sure thing being there anyway.

I just think the paired flop with K or Q are a special case when you hold AA vs a large field. ( i mean i would prefer to bet my AA on something like KK9 but KK5 or QQ4 it is so dry...)

I might being mubsy but i just do not see much value by betting compare with the risk of being c/r multiway.

Obv. HU or 3 way is another matter...

Well view this way maybe but i would not try to isoraise J9s in that spot but rather overlimp it.

And if you say i am a nit i am pretty shock you would not get 3bet much pf ...
I mean what hand would you overlimp with, close to 0 than , right ?

I mean I understand the contrarian POV, but this is low stakes fixed limit. Missing value bets when you finally pick up a good hand is criminal versus these guys. Equally criminal is being unable to get away from your hand when you bet the turn and face a call and a check raise of doom.

A better exercise than asking what we'd do facing a turn check raise is asking if there's any sort of player type that would lead us to deviating away from folding, IMO. Beauty of playing live is that you can see if the turn check raiser is a 75 year old lady or some headphone using, hoodie-wearing wannabe pro who thinks he plays well.

If I'm raising J9s, it's for value versus limpers (and bloating the pot IP with a decent hand). I'd much rather overlimp a hand like 33, which isn't crushing wide open limping ranges that include shocking stuff like T7o, 83s, etc, but can flop huge. Small consideration that you're marginally more likely to get a free turn, because they're passive.

lemmy would've bet the flop.

^^^this. He knows he's going to lose and gambling's for fools, but that's the way he likes baby he doesn't want to live forever.

OH - and don't forget the joker.

Here was my thinking.

Vs. three opponents, a K was a good possibility, but I wanted to get to showdown.

A flop bet may have folded the field, or gotten me raised by a K.

The check behind gave worse hands a chance to hit and start paying me off, while losing the least against a K.

Note that there's less chance than usual of anyone drawing out on me -- not like with pTT or such.

Maybe playing more O8 and NL these days has made me mubsy. But it was an entirely different line than I'd have taken the past ten years and it felt innovative. :-)

You must have a strange style/image, the thought "they are going to fold any pair if I bet the flop" never crosses my mind, and very rarely my opponent's. I would have tried to save the hand by raising the river given the runout. You'd be surprised what hands people call river raises with these day.

No, they're not folding a pair. But they probably don't have one and will fold their air, often even A hi.

It's like maybe OK to do this sometimes with exactly AA if you raise the turn with exactly AA.

Might be noob but i rather/fold river than raise the turn .

raise/fold *

How many opponents does it take to get to the center of the tootsie pop? I guess 6 or 7 opponents must be present to increase the chances of running into a King high enough that we should check the flop.

Even if the chances were more than 50% that someone has a king, I don't think that means we should check this flop.