Originally Posted by shuinthehouse
saw a hand at Foxwoods 4-8 last weekend that I don't think warrants its own thread but this thread might be a good place
4-5 limpers, I fold CO, solid (for 4-8) button raises, SB folds, BB (good player for 4-8) has KK and 3!, everybody calls, 6-7 see the flop.
Axx rainbow, BB bets, 3-4 callers, button raises, all call, maybe 12-14 BB in the pot now.
Turn blank, checks to button who bets, BB calls. Anyone else calling here? If you are calling, are you calling one on a blank river also (3-4 others called the turn)?
If the pot is 6-7 handed and 3bet pre I don't see how I'm folding on any of the big bet streets, provided I can continue for one bet. The pot odds are just way too good. 13:1 on the turn, 15:1 on the river. You'd have to be damn near 100% certain that your villian wouldn't continue betting OTT with anything less than Aces.
If 6 or more players take a 3bet or 4bet flop and I've got a big pocket pair I'm almost always going to see the showdown. I'd probably only fold KK here if a raising war broke out on 4th or 5th street, or the board was something truly scary like 4 to a straight and 4 to a flush (and I don't have a flush). With 15:1 pot odds I only need to win 6.25% of the time to break even. If your opponent is at all capable of bluffing or betting 3 streets with a hand that looks good but you can still beat (like QQ) then there's no way you can fold KK getting those kind of odds.