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04-11-2014 , 02:46 AM
Dealt K9 on the button. Loose aggressive player raises early, 2 calls, I call, BB calls.

Flop is QJ4. BB checks, preflop raiser bets, everyone except BB calls.

Turn is A. Preflop raiser bets, next player raises, next player folds, action is to me.
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04-11-2014 , 02:52 AM
Say this...

Our Father which art in heaven,
Hallowed be thy name.
Thy kingdom come.
Thy will be done in earth,
as it is in heaven.
Give us this day our daily bread.
And forgive us our trespasses,
as we forgive those
who trespass against us.
And lead us not into temptation,
but deliver us from evil:
For thine is the kingdom,
and the power, and the glory,
forever and ever.
Amen.


And then call...
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04-11-2014 , 03:06 AM
Well, you came this far, didn't you? What you do:

1. Think 'GD, IT!' I HAD to call K-9s for a raise pf just bec I'm OTB and it looks pretty.
2. Think 'JFC! I've got lots of outs but the other guy might raise and it could be 2 bets back to me and then what, I've got to call that also, jfc!'
3. So, of course, you call and you will either hate your life or be happy that you sucked out.

If you lose try not to let it bother you too much, many of us do the same thing. But if you win don't congratulate yourself either.

Oh, look! I checked before I hit submit reply and there is SM w/ cutesy reply also. His can be condensed into 'call and pray' and that's not a bad piece of advice which I know to be true since I pray in those spots also and when I pray in the poker room I really mean it.
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04-11-2014 , 05:38 AM
what price are you getting, and how many outs do you have, and how do those two factors sync up?
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04-11-2014 , 05:42 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by btc_ltc
Dealt K9 on the button. Loose aggressive player raises early, 2 calls, I call, BB calls.

Flop is QJ4. BB checks, preflop raiser bets, everyone except BB calls.

Turn is A. Preflop raiser bets, next player raises, next player folds, action is to me.
Simple really. You can get the idea of folding out winners out of mind now, so just calculate your chance of spiking.

You have 9 hearts. 7 of which give you the nuts, 2 of which must be discounted (you'll likely win 2 bets win ahead but may lose 3 when behind). And 3 T's, one of which may be no good, and 2 probably chop. Call it 9.5 outs.

So 9.5 outs vs 47 unknown cards ~ 20% equity ~ 4:1 to win.

You have 10.5 SB pre, 14.5 SB OTF, and w/ a bet and raise OTT, you have 7.25 + 3 = 10.25 BB here. 10.25:2 = 5.125:1. Keep in mind you aren't closing the action, but even a worst case scenario (it gets 3!/capped behind) means 7.25 BB in the pot by the flop + 8 put in by the field = 15.25, with you getting 15.25:4 w/ some implied odds. Seems like you should call, just make sure you do it fast and try to avoid a whipsaw.
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04-12-2014 , 01:30 AM
I think your straight outs are cleaner than you think based on how the action has gone. I also wouldn't be super concerned if the 4h hit the river. If the Jh hits, I'd be more careful. I would definitely call the turn. Keep an eye on the original bettor. If he looks like he is just calling, that not only takes away the threat of a 3B, it also increases the odds you are getting. This would be more applicable if you had a closer decision. This is a pretty standard call as is.
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04-12-2014 , 06:22 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Silver_Man2
Say this...

Our Father which art in heaven,
Hallowed be thy name.
Thy kingdom come.
Thy will be done in earth,
as it is in heaven.
Give us this day our daily bread.
And forgive us our trespasses,
as we forgive those
who trespass against us.
And lead us not into temptation,
but deliver us from evil:
For thine is the kingdom,
and the power, and the glory,
forever and ever.
Amen.


And then call...
way I'm running at the moment - remind me to try this with my next nfd
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04-12-2014 , 01:07 PM
your getting a good price for your multiway draw

take it.

if a diamond T hits things may get dicey but if a heart that pairs rivers one opp will probably go away leaving you heads up so it wont be difficult to play in position.
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04-12-2014 , 01:23 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by btc_ltc
Dealt K9 on the button. Loose aggressive player raises early, 2 calls, I call, BB calls.

Flop(~10sb, 5 players)) QJ4. BB checks, preflop raiser bets, everyone except BB calls.

Turn(~7bb, 4 players) A. Preflop raiser bets, next player raises, next player folds, action is to me.
When you include the pot size (and are aware of it), it's easier to compute the price you're getting and decide.

Worst case scenario is the action gets capped 3-way (you didn't say where this is, but let's assume 4 bet cap) and the price ends up being 4:15. Sounds good to me.
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