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Old 12-22-2012, 09:42 AM   #1
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No one can contain my spew

I haven't actually played poker in a long time, but I feel like posting an old hand.

Foxwoods 20/40

My image is mega lag PF, but not out of line post (yet). I've played a few orbits with villain, who is a 20 something TAG that tries to play well, but is pretty leaky.

I open KQ from the HJ, villain 3bets from the SB. HU for 7ish SB.

flop: K82

villain bets, I raise, he 3bets, I call.

turn(6.5BB): A

villain bets (he's a blinders on, full range kind of better here), I raise in tempo, folding to a 3bet, barreling a blank river.

How much did I/am I planning on spewing? Keep in mind pretty much everyone at foxwoods loves to fold, including the "better" players.

Feel free to rip on my flop play as well.
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Old 12-22-2012, 11:30 AM   #2
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My image is mega lag PF, but not out of line post (yet). I've played a few orbits with villain, who is a 20 something TAG that tries to play well, but is pretty leaky.


villain bets (he's a blinders on, full range kind of better here)




I don't think that the bold statements match. 50 hands isn't enough to know someone's turn c bet % after 3 betting the flop.

I'd call the flop and raise very blank cards, offsuit 3-7, but I'm a nit on monoboards. This is the bottom of my range. Offsuit 9-Q are too likely to make 2 pair or a set in my experience(results oriented?), unless you can confidently fold to a turn 3 bet. Though I hate raise folding the turn or river, especially with the small sample, so I avoid that line.

As played, I would have flushes in my range on the turn that were hoping to raise, and I would also have weaker hands like K9-Js that I could make this play with. Though I think he's pretty strong when that turn hits so I would pass on the bluff.

That said, just knowing that you can pull this play off against an active player has to be worth something. How long do you think it'll take to realize that expectation at the cost of 120? If it's longer than the time it takes for him to start calling you down then it's -infoev.
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Old 12-22-2012, 11:37 AM   #3
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Re: No one can contain my spew

I see two problems here:

(1) If you are turning a hand as strong as KQ into a bluff here, you are going to have way too many bluffs in your distribution (although I guess it might be toward the bottom of the hands that you raise preflop with and r/c the flop with . . . maybe you have worse kings, pairs between 8x and Kx, but even then you may not be that far from the bottom of your range).

(2) Even if this is a good candidate to bluff with on a different spade card, the As is a particularly poor card because he will have AK quite frequently, and will force you to fire on the river to win (and by that time, the pot will be so big and your perceived range will be so unbalanced that he might just call anyways).
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Old 12-22-2012, 11:46 AM   #4
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Re: No one can contain my spew

I'm not sure that I understand why we are bluff raising the turn here. You make lots of contradictions in your telling of the hand. Opp is TAG and yet you say that he is a full range bettor on the turn. That doesn't make much sense. I would classify myself as TAG and this is not a place where I see myself betting into even a mega-LAG with my full range. The pot is too small IMO to try this play. You need him to fold a better hand a little over 20% of the time and I don't see this happening with the action up to this point.

Here's the line I like on this hand...

PF
Raise, flat a 3.

Flop
Raise is excellent flat is fine

Turn
When opp opens we have to look for a live read. This card crushes us against his range up to this point. I think you could possibly find a reason to get to the river for 2BB instead of trying this (IMO) negative equity bluff.
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Old 12-22-2012, 04:11 PM   #5
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Re: No one can contain my spew

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flop: K82

villain bets, I raise, he 3bets, I call.

turn(6.5BB): A
Looking at this runout some more. I think it's interesting that the hands we want to raise the turn with probably shouldn't be raising the flop or we'll have too many bluffs in our flop raising range. This is because hands like QJ with a are better off just calling the flop. You can't have raised the flop with ATx, but maybe AxT. Those hands might be better played passively as a might be the best hand draw. The lower your , the more likely you should be to raise the flop on a bluff, but once your draw comes in you're not going to have much more than a bluffcatcher. The only hands you will end up raising will be big flushes that were already made on the flop that you elected not to 4 bet the flop with; not many hands; you cant have Ax; that leaves Q9ss-QJss, J9ss, JTss, T9ss, 97ss?; and that's really getting marginal with a turn raise. So your bluffing range should be pretty small without a read that the guy likes to bet fold.
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Old 12-22-2012, 10:20 PM   #6
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Re: No one can contain my spew

Call flop, bluff raise turn.
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Old 12-23-2012, 12:49 AM   #7
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Re: No one can contain my spew

I think I'd like it better if the turn was like the 5. My main concern is that if his flop 3! range is AK/KK/AA/big, you have to at a minimum stick in 3 BB's on your bluff, which is pretty darned expensive in a 7.5BB pot.
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Old 12-23-2012, 02:08 AM   #8
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Re: No one can contain my spew

i wouldnt raise the flop and i'd fold to a second barrel on that card
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Old 12-25-2012, 09:24 PM   #9
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Re: No one can contain my spew

agree with those who suggest call flop / raise blank turns, and that raise turn barrel river costs 3 BB's to pull off a bluff here against 2pairs/sets. another option i guess is to float the turn and bet the river to get him to c/f the hands we are considering to bluff raise against (if he bets river we just give up)
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