4/8

MP has been active with preflop raises and 100% c bets 3 ways or less. Hasn't shown down anything noteworthy.

LP is a 20/40 player who came over probably because of all the excitement coming from our table. It's been wild.

MP opens, LP 3 bets, I call in the big blind with JTs

flop: 28T with a flushdraw. I don't have a bdfd.

I check, MP c bets, LP calls, I raise, both call. I'm pretty sure I have the best hand after they both call.

turn: 3r

I bet, MP folds, LP calls

river: 8r

I?

If you're betting, are you calling a raise?

Yes.

If this guy came over for wild action, that screams a guy who will bluff-represent an 8 here. What hand with an 8 here even makes sense? A8s?

trivial bet/decide. Since villain is maniacal, decide to bet/call.

b/f or b/c is the only question
i personally would b/c

i am betting for sure. there are a lot of hands in villains range we get value from. if villain raises, which doesn't seem likely, i would call. what is your concern here, bob?

I had a brain fart at the table and checked. Figured it was time for a checkup. I convinced myself that he had unimproved Ace high or overcards after the turn call, but I was unsure if he would call with Ace high or not.

Call me a nit, but I fold PF.

Rest of the hand is fine. Bet the river. I doubt you're getting raised often unless it's a delayed raise with an overpair, but that's highly unlikely.

I'm down with b/c the river. Can't fold TP on the river for one bet in a wild game.

Grease -- Folding PF? Really. Care to elaborate?

3ways. Calling a 3b. TJ isn't very strong. I'd like to have more people in the hand.

here's a super basic question that's going to make me look dumb.

(1.5SB) mp raises (3.5SB), lp 3bets (6.5SB), it costs us 2SB to call. our odds are 6.5:2 or 3.25:1 meaning we need a hand that wins 1 time out of 4.25 times total or 23.5%.

ignoring all factors other than our hands ultimate value, if our hot/cold equity is 23.5% or greater we can profitably call? or do we need our fair share of equity (33%) to make a profitable call?

In simple terms, 23.5%.

Disclaimer: this assumes you get to see all 5 cards for free, ignores implied/reverse implied odds, ignores value of position, yada yada yada.

I think the 20/40's 3-betting range is a little wide because MP's raising range is a little wide. I don't think we're up against TT+/AQs/AKo here.

If I open MP, what range do you put me on and what range are you 3-betting me in late position? How does JTs stack upainst those ranges? If we hit a monster, we're going to win a nice pot. And we've got a hand that hits monsters.

right. that's what i thought. had a brain fart there. thanks for cracking the window for me.

vs. these ranges we have a profitable call.

http://www.pokerstrategy.com
Equity Win Tie
MP1 34.21% 32.20% 2.02% { 66+, A5s+, K8s+, Q9s+, JTs, T9s, 98s, A8o+, K9o+, QTo+, JTo }
BU 38.47% 36.71% 1.75% { 77+, A8s+, K9s+, QTs+, JTs, A7o+, KTo+, QJo }
BB 27.32% 26.14% 1.18% { JTs }

take out the rake we're getting 5.5:2 or 2.75:1 and we need 26.66% equity. it becomes much closer.

take out the rake and tighten up their ranges it becomes a fold.

http://www.pokerstrategy.com
Equity Win Tie
MP1 33.80% 31.73% 2.07% { 77+, A7s+, K9s+, QTs+, JTs, A8o+, K9o+, QTo+, JTo }
BU 41.02% 39.11% 1.92% { 88+, A9s+, KTs+, QTs+, JTs, ATo+, KJo+, QJo }
BB 25.18% 23.89% 1.28% { JTs }

I like the stoves. Maybe with some more history we could widen them so there's a profitable call. Considering that I'm going to miss bets, it's probably an even worse call preflop.

I like a bet-call.

Given both our table read and our read on Villain, I'd rather check-call than bet-fold.

I'm not sure why we c/r'd the flop?

Why isn't this line preferable...

c/c flop

Donk/call the blank on the turn

bet/call the river?

Looks like a perfect time to get max value against a light player and a light player. Once the river becomes a mid pairing card here we are wa/wb with 99, 77, AT+, calling a river bet +x% river bluffs/a few better hand raising.

Bet and call.

With a check raise on the flop we get more immediate value from the 100% c bet that we expect from an aggressive player. Against a player who only c bets say 60% 3 ways or less on the flop then I'd donk the flop.

It may look like the same price when we're behind (3.5 big bets), but I feel a lot better showing down against a flop 3 bet and turn and river bets than I feel about donking the flop and calling a turn raise.

Donking also allows a good player to draw for cheap; punish us for the max when we're behind; wait for the turn to raise; disguise his range.

Oh, and welcome to the forum.

I was thinking you said donk flop, disregard if you want.

As for c/c flop donk call turn:

The flop's going to check through too much. We miss value with a strong hand on the flop. We keep the pot smaller so it's less correct for lesser pairs to payoff on the river. By underrepping our hand we'll sometimes be faced with calling 2 bets postflop with what will then be a bluffcatcher(not a fun spot.) When it's multiway in a big pot you nearly always want to play straightforwardly to maximize value unless you think you can pull off a protection play.

Trivial bet/decide? This is funny to me. If you have to stop to decide, then betting isn't trivial. You should know what you're going to do in each line and not be surprised.

IMO this is a fairly straightforward bet/call, but if you're going to "decide" to fold after betting and getting raised, then don't bet. It would be ridiculous to give up this pot to a 20/40 player who came over.