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Originally Posted by jdr0317
As we've considerably gone off the exploitative deep end with how we've played the hand (ex: if a well playing TAG posted CO, called, and raised this flop, I'd more likely call and x/r/c most turns), how much do we want to concern ourselves w/ this particular subgame optimal play of x/f at X% and x/c of (100-X)%? Since TT-AA is basically the same hand here (so theoretically, we'd like to check all 30 combos), we'd be getting 10.75:1 on a river call, so we need to be good ~ 9% (round it up due to rake). So even still, we should be calling with our TT the majority of the time (~ 55-60%) if we decide checking our overpairs is best, right?
I would disagree with the idea that once we deviated from GTO at a certain decision point, we should no longer be concerned with it for the rest of the hand. Here's my take on it: at some point, presumably due to a read, we decide to favor an exploitative play over GTO, but after that we enter a new subgame with its own GTO strategy, which, at the next decision point, you can again disregard in favor of an exploitative play if you have a relevant read.
For example, in this hand, if you check the river you are now essentially playing a simple game of " bluff catcher vs. bluff or made hand" with its own simple GTO strategy. As I said in the previous post, if you have a relevant read for this particular subgame, it of course trumps GTO, but otherwise it's OK to fold a certain percentage of the time. In my original post I didn't bother calculating that percentage, but it looks like you yourself did.
Speaking more exploitatively, from the description of the player you gave in the OP, it's not at all clear in which direction he would deviate from optimal play on the river. Some players would certainly bluff too much there, but others might think (often correctly): " there's no way he folds anything there". In that case, they would only bet for value and you would be wasting 1BB calling them every time. That's why, depending on the read of course, it might (or might not) be a good idea to fold.
Finally, betting the river is not out of the question either. You have a long history with this player. Do you suspect he rarely has a 9 when he 4-bets the flop? Or that he would not dare bluff raise you after this action? Will he call with a hand like 87? If so, betting becomes more attractive.